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calling all beings y'all

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hey

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welcome back to calling all beings i'm

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your host dj along with my brother money

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nate what's going on brother what's up

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dj man good to see you

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man it's about to get crazy up in here

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because we are going to have on the

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executive producer of the secrets of

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skid walker ranch on history channel

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this brother's got an emmy

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i can't believe it wait did you say i

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he's got he's got an emmy that's not

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quite right i don't think what no

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it's it's two he has two two enemies

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okay yeah it's it's sure

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i'm positive two it's

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utah

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so check it out man i'm so excited to

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have this guy tonight you guys are gonna

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be really excited because his beard

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looks awesome his hair looks awesome

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without coughing sans quaff guy already

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looks phenomenal he's brought a great

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energy backstage already so i know what

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he's about to bring with you so party

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people put your hands together

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for new york's own

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mr tj allen

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can i get it hey man

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i've never had a welcome like this

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before that's amazing yes

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tj aller thank you man thank you guys

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dude grab me here

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oh it was an honor i'm sorry go ahead

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brother it's awesome no that's awesome

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it was an honor and a pleasure man uh

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we've been working this for a while

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obviously uh you had uh some some

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difficult situations with the family you

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have our love and respect for that thank

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you we're with you and um and we're here

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to try to cheer you up and we don't have

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to cheer your hair up that's clear the

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[Laughter]

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all right so uh we brought a party of

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five on to talk with you uh about the

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ranch about your journey uh as an

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executive producer and creating content

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uh it was very interesting to hear you

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talk about speaking with studios and

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what sells and what doesn't sell that

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was interesting for those of us that are

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laypersons

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uh and and we will get serious here i

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might even take off my glasses whoa

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yes it can happen i feel like i need to

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my head i forgot to put the powder yeah

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no tj i was just a little bit yeah i was

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going to go to hair and makeup and just

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by the time i left work it just didn't

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happen so yeah okay anyway he took that

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seriously he thinks i'm getting it yeah

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yeah all right so hey listen

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you never know

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like some hardcore production value

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behind stuff you know you never know

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it's true that's because that's because

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of this guy right here i'm pointing over

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peter brady and the cube next to me so

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uh no he he's made it he's made this

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this thing look professional and

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phenomenal and it's not just me wailing

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away on audio so uh thank you nathan

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nathan you got the first question from

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my brother tj allen my brother who's

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doing that thing about skinwalk ranch

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yes yes so tj you've been in this

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business for about 20 years is that

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right yep um and and i doubt there's any

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kind of like conventional journey for

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someone who's in this industry but you

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know how would you characterize the path

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that that got you to where you are right

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now was it what you expected or what

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kind of crazy turns in a little bit man

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not even a little bit

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i actually started off as a video game

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designer for you

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wow i worked on the very first batman

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animated series game for the xbox

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gamecube and

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um the nintendo 64. so i'm kind of

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dating myself back in the 90s uh when we

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used to design games back then we

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weren't programmers i wasn't a coder uh

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that we designed so it was a it was

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called team gotham right so ubisoft

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hired a bunch of designers in new york

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i just happened to be one of them i left

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uh mckinsey and company i started off at

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mckinsey company as an uh

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as an analyst training in the training

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program yeah and um

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it just wasn't for me at the time i was

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you know

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and uh so i got an opportunity to design

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games and we made them with graph paper

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legos and whiteboard what that's how we

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designed them

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not kidding the level design was all

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done like that on 25th street um between

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fifth and sixth i think it wasn't yeah

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is that a storyboarding is that a form

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of storyboarding it was like the actuals

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no we literally designed games the

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gameplay and then we'd have to pass it

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off to the coders and then they would

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put everything into the engine and it

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was running that game was running on the

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old ubisoft engine that ran rayman which

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was their big platformer right it was a

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do you do you consider yourself a gamer

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at all i still i still uh

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as i as i have my controllers yeah

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that's keeping it real folks staying

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brown i love it i love it yes i i have a

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nine-year-old and we play minecraft a

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lot nice and uh we also start playing um

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we've been playing fortnite more and

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more i'm not i don't really like playing

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the shooters with him yeah yeah a little

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young but yeah i'll let him play with me

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right um but then do you trash talk your

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nine-year-old tj no god no

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listen i

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i do with my boys all the time man you

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gotta put them in their place that's

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what happens

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yeah i'm a gamer too so my guys are 13

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and 11 they're big into minecraft you

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know they i mean they'll play pretty

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much anything they've got the switch and

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all that kind of stuff okay yeah i mean

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i'm from a different era of gaming like

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we used to you know used to go to lan

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parties and you know yeah there'd be

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fights would break out people would

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throw cans of mountain dew at each other

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you know there's a mountain dew

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reference coming i knew it yeah

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but uh i mean i guess you know starting

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off as a game designer and then after

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that i helped launch game loft which was

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a gaming uh which is now a huge game uh

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a publisher for mobile games they were

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part of ubisoft so there's ubisoft and

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then guimo as their hardware and then

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gameloft which was initially their

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online component became their mobile

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component but when i was there it was an

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online company and i was the us content

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manager and we did i started to do game

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broadcasting before it was a thing

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um and uh it was around the you know the

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dot com bust happened and then

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i said you know i came to new york city

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to be to work in entertainment and it

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was kind of working in entertainment but

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after the dot-com bust and 911 happened

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uh i lost my apartment i lived three

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blocks from the towers at the time

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and so i just you know what i was done

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with the gaming and i was like listen i

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came here i had a reason and then i just

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started i got a bartending job

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started the auditioning and you know

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offset races uh

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performance entertainer uh first as an

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actor be prior to getting into

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production yeah so i i learned you know

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different place back then um

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i used to perform at upright so the

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since brigade theater it was improv

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comedy nice place and uh amy poehler was

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my first one of my first coaches

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she wasn't famous at the time she wasn't

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playing that's like all for the ucb the

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ucb4 were all my coaches at one point

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amazing and um there was only probably

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like two or three hundred people maybe

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in the whole theater at the time and it

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was like a big you know like a it was a

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really close community right and i was

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performing you know four five nights a

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week at dive bars and wherever you could

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basement um

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grocery store there and that was

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originally these groceries right okay

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yeah yeah it was it was wasn't the

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original ucb place but it was the one

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that um it was the one that i performed

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that most of the time and uh and then

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yeah then a lot of the people that i

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kind of came up with ucb just blew up

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and then all these people they all went

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west

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uh and they all like a lot of them

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became you know famous like i came up

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with a lot of people who ended up being

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really successful amazing and uh yeah as

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have you by the way no

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it's all relative right it's all

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relative

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uh not amy poehler but

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i realized you know after auditioning so

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often and performing and you know i had

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some shows like as a correspondent um in

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celebrity interviews blah blah all that

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stuff and then i got into like

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commercial production realizing the

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money is behind the camera

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uh and it's a much

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you're a little bit more in control of

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your fate that way yeah it's a little

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bit more stable um and i really tried

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how do you make your own vehicle uh you

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know how do you kind of get something

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going and i tried it from the outside

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and it didn't work so well and then i

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took a job at nbc uh 30 rock for a while

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and i was like you know i'm gonna try

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this from the inside and uh you know did

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pretty well with it there but then

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eventually um

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i i you know

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you can only get so far internally i

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learned and i would have known unless i

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did it right and and so then i decided

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to kind of go out you know do my own

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thing again but now i have some

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production skill or production

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background and credits under my belt and

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i started pitching shows with

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joel patterson who is my producing

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partner he and i went to college

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together at uh upstate new york at

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hartwick

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hardwood college okay

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brother we're new york brothers you know

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that man yes yes peak skill yeah right

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well this is that so this is an oneonta

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right where heartwork is and

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you know it's funny because

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at the time and this always it kills me

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so joel

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joel created counting cars right um and

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yeah and it's long running and he's very

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and uh you know because of him a lot of

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doors have gotten opened for us to hear

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you know for pitches to be heard nice

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and and uh what was funny though and i

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found out later

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so while i was at hartwick so with joel

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there's another guy there named curtis

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gwyn and curtis um i ended up performing

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uc ucb with him way back when in the

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early 2000s uh curtis was the showrunner

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and exec co-ep on stranger things for

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[Laughter]

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so it's awesome man yeah so i mean it's

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a really small

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it's such a small community uh really is

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entertainment and uh you know just been

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lucky that i've had some longevity and

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i've been able to kind of you know keep

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it going it is a war of attrition like

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the only people that i know it's it's

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it's the ones that stay in are the ones

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that succeed uh that's in front of the

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behind the camera um it's as long as you

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can you know sustain it's those

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overnight successes are 20 years in the

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making mm-hmm um and it's hard you know

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a lot of people like kids right now they

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don't kind of get that this this uh oh

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should happen in a year right yeah and

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if it doesn't a year that's too long

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i've heard i've heard some of these kids

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like get discouraged after like a few

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weeks it's crazy oh i only got like a

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couple hundred hits

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yeah wow right yeah

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so but as you can see

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as you can see tj

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you are successful because one of the

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good things is that success is only

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measured with our own ruler there's no

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other person's ruler that counts and

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where you came from from you know uh

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being in that apartment and to where you

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are now i mean obviously uh you've made

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tremendous success i you know my success

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is measured by my ruler i don't care

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what somebody else did who

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their ruler says that they're more

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successful are they i don't know maybe

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maybe not yeah so i mean i try not to

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look like you know you drive yourself

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crazy and especially in entertainment

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and uh you know just for those who are

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so i i'm trying to read the tea leaves

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so tv's dying i mean it's all it's kind

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of obvious and so i have taken to this

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and that's why i like i will do every

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show that i can i want to meet as many

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people talk to as many people oh so

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we're not special is that

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you are

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for today yes yes

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beautiful unique snowflakes he'll be

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okay don't know about him the uh but i

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try to i try to just reach out and you

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know make myself as available as i can

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i'm not done yet i don't feel um but at

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the same time i'm also getting a

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master's degree in uh data science oh

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nice so i'm trying to continue the

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lifelong education stuff and see how i

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can leverage that in television and i

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just

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there's a lot happening and it's it's

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this is this is the next you know well

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it's not the next it's here um but

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there's got to be a transition from the

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tv world

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like to merge the two um online world

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nobody knows it yet and i'm i'm putting

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myself out there trying to figure it out

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uh i think one of the best things that i

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can do here is the reach

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um you know it's and it's not it's i'm

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you know as you can see my 20 years to

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do what i'm doing it's like it's baby

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steps right you have to put in the work

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putting the time

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and you know i will talk to everyone i

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can and kind of make make like i said

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make myself available to try to hear

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more stories and this is

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this didn't exist years ago there were

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gatekeepers at every network

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uh and so it was very hard to find

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talent and or stories and so now it's

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like wait a minute if i just make open

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up my dms and talk people will resp okay

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fine

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you know it's like casting a wider net

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you know yes um and it's we have the

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same feeling as you do that we'd want to

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just talk to a lot of people people that

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have an interesting thought or a

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positive vibe we want to talk to them we

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don't care if they have seven twitter

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followers seven hundred or seven

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thousand

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and so we're we actually have the same

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theory on our show or the same uh

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guiding principle

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no i mean i feel like it works uh you

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know there's there's the big

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misconception you know those people in

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tv they all make tons of money in this

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it's no the people who make the real

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money are the ones online to be honest i

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i know because i know the budgets and i

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see it

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and you'd be very surprised um but these

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uh

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this is this is the way and i i'm hoping

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that you know like when we did the

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twitter space right i i never know how

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big those things sometimes they get huge

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like thousands of people and sometimes

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it's 12. uh and it doesn't matter i'm

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just i want to make sure people can talk

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i love listening to what people have to

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say

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uh i am not a

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i don't judge anyone i don't that's not

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what i'm into this for i am

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a conduit for um

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i give people access right so i am not

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the one looking

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for the unknown or trying to answer

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questions i'm looking for people that

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are or looking for people that are doing

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interesting things and i

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at least hear it and say hmm now can i

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take that and put that in a way

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to put it on tv or or give it a bigger

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platform yeah you're uh

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you have a very unique ethos like uh

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would you how would you characterize

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your

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colleagues in the industry it feels like

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you feel kind of like unique to me

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it is it's different i get a lot of uh

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i don't know a lot of whys you know some

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what you find happen is a lot of

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and i try not to generalize right when i

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talk but it's it's hard sometimes

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because it's

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it just is uh the

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many people in entertainment when you're

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in it you don't see anything else it's

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such a bubble and you think that the

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entire world revolves around everything

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you're doing and

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you don't ever get to see anything on

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the outside and don't want to see

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anything on the outside

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um

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when you're developing shows you're

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pitching to people that they don't want

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to think they're being you know

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not to

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put anyone down it's like they're being

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counters though right they have a job to

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do and this is what they need and they

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need a bigger return right so what your

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job is is to provide them with

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the easiest

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win that they can get right and they so

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there's a lot less talk about

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development that happens like they'll

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put out mandates that are saying we're

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looking for x y and z

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and then producers you know i always say

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like they're like cockroaches um they're

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everywhere

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so

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a good example of that is like when i'll

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see a great story in a newspaper or

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something

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and go back a few years there's

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something in

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i don't know one of the bigger like the

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new york times or something it was in

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the sunday times and

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it was uh talking about people who were

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moving uh houses from like across lake

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ontario or something like that right it

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was cheaper to move a house and build a

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house wow and it was in the sunday times

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and

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i saw in sunday morning you know or

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whatever i saw online and i immediately

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start tracking down you know doing my oc

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investigations trying to find who the

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sources are bam i find them i leave a

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voicemail

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next morning uh i got a call i get a

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call back and uh the woman was like you

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know blah blah blah we're talking and

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she's like you know you're like the 17th

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or 18th i've talked to already i'm like

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man

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that means that 17 other people got got

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to you before me incredible and uh so

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yeah but the the way that i i see it now

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you know people don't want to look like

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i'm looking i you know i pound the

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pavement right you yeah at a certain

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level people just feel like they'll just

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com people just come to me you know

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they'll just find me but they don't

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at least my experiences they don't and

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i'm not at the level where i just snap

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my fingers and make a show yet um

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someday maybe i'll have that ability

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uh but uh

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right now you know i'm just i have to

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keep on hustling

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and it is different it is i don't know

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any other people that that not not like

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i'm saying i'm a you know beautiful

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unique snowflake or anything and i

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always use that line because i don't

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believe anybody is right uh i i feel

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like people have elements that are great

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and and everyone shares those uh but i i

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don't know anyone else who's doing

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who has this approach yeah um so i know

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it's a long-winded answer to your

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question oh that's awesome i'd love to

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hear it

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so yeah so when you don't want to be in

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the bubble you move back

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you move back to buffalo and you go and

509
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get your master's degree and that's how

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you're like outside the bubble and

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you're able to connect with real life it

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is it is and i mean this is i live in

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orchard park i live about three miles

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away four miles away from the stadium

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from the build stadium and uh

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it's it's a different world here after

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living in the city for so long i didn't

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realize it was like that this up here

519
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and i'm from central new york which

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isn't western new york buffalo um

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and i

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living in new york so long is the same

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thing you become you get these blinders

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on right and you think this is life and

525
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everything outside of new york is like

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diet life i used to call it it wasn't

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really life but it was

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and now that i'm out outside of new york

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i'm like that's crazy

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this is real

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some perspective yeah it is it is yes

532
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and uh and so in the industry like

533
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there's some really where i live there's

534
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a couple of huge youtubers here that i

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never knew i mean wow tens of millions

536
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of followers

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and uh you wouldn't know where they're

538
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from and so it proves that you can do it

539
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anywhere nowadays

540
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it's uh just trying to catch a wave and

541
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you know uh

542
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again i'm kind of just going through

543
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this all like

544
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i just want to be as open as i can for

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people and and try to reach out and i

546
00:19:11,990 --> 00:19:10,160
listen this has been i've already i've

547
00:19:13,590 --> 00:19:12,000
pitched so many things that i've already

548
00:19:16,470 --> 00:19:13,600
heard from reaching out like this last

549
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,480
year plus that it's it's amazing uh some

550
00:19:19,590 --> 00:19:18,240
things are moving some you know fall by

551
00:19:20,950 --> 00:19:19,600
the way side but

552
00:19:23,190 --> 00:19:20,960
i'm very honest and open with people

553
00:19:24,870 --> 00:19:23,200
about it it's not me

554
00:19:27,350 --> 00:19:24,880
i will take you and

555
00:19:29,909 --> 00:19:27,360
present it and if it doesn't work hey

556
00:19:31,350 --> 00:19:29,919
good luck try another way right i i give

557
00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,360
i can give it my swing

558
00:19:35,510 --> 00:19:33,919
um but that's that's kind of how i i

559
00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:35,520
work i guess

560
00:19:37,990 --> 00:19:36,400
and that

561
00:19:39,830 --> 00:19:38,000
and for that i'm even happier that we

562
00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:39,840
had you on that you are so grounded and

563
00:19:44,070 --> 00:19:42,240
uh and that you you do take that

564
00:19:46,870 --> 00:19:44,080
approach and value real life more so

565
00:19:49,830 --> 00:19:46,880
than somebody who wants to be cocooned

566
00:19:51,590 --> 00:19:49,840
and and just live in that bubble so

567
00:19:53,590 --> 00:19:51,600
yeah we're even we're even more honored

568
00:19:54,870 --> 00:19:53,600
than we already were if we just had

569
00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:54,880
hollywood

570
00:20:00,310 --> 00:19:57,120
let's bring on our homie uh deb at a

571
00:20:02,470 --> 00:20:00,320
study of uaps our uh his his

572
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,480
contextualizer and researcher

573
00:20:07,350 --> 00:20:04,400
excellent deb

574
00:20:09,990 --> 00:20:07,360
hi there hello deb

575
00:20:10,870 --> 00:20:10,000
i was very happy to see you here today

576
00:20:13,110 --> 00:20:10,880
um

577
00:20:15,830 --> 00:20:13,120
so we were talking a little bit about

578
00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:15,840
some of the hard work that you've gone

579
00:20:20,310 --> 00:20:18,320
through and and i

580
00:20:22,710 --> 00:20:20,320
have a question that has to do with some

581
00:20:23,830 --> 00:20:22,720
self-sacrifice you might say that you

582
00:20:24,789 --> 00:20:23,840
went through

583
00:20:27,029 --> 00:20:24,799
when you

584
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:27,039
joined um

585
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,240
this project working on the ranch

586
00:20:35,669 --> 00:20:32,559
and yes i'm switching to the ranch

587
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,679
um you had a sensory experience

588
00:20:39,990 --> 00:20:37,919
and i personally would like to know more

589
00:20:41,990 --> 00:20:40,000
about that experience i'd like to know

590
00:20:45,270 --> 00:20:42,000
what you think the catalyst was for that

591
00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,280
experience how it ultimately ended how

592
00:20:49,270 --> 00:20:47,440
long it took to end

593
00:20:51,590 --> 00:20:49,280
and um

594
00:20:53,830 --> 00:20:51,600
i have a little curiosity if you've ever

595
00:20:55,830 --> 00:20:53,840
tried to find out a little bit more

596
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,840
about what it was you were hearing

597
00:20:59,110 --> 00:20:58,320
during that sensory experience

598
00:21:00,310 --> 00:20:59,120
okay

599
00:21:02,950 --> 00:21:00,320
so uh

600
00:21:04,230 --> 00:21:02,960
yeah so i just i want to oh go ahead

601
00:21:06,070 --> 00:21:04,240
were you dj were you doing this because

602
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,080
no that was one love to deb for a great

603
00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:08,559
question oh awesome uh okay so i should

604
00:21:10,870 --> 00:21:09,760
clarify so i haven't been out to the

605
00:21:13,669 --> 00:21:10,880
ranch since

606
00:21:16,070 --> 00:21:13,679
probably two years um i don't go i'm not

607
00:21:17,669 --> 00:21:16,080
out there on a day to day uh so just to

608
00:21:19,350 --> 00:21:17,679
kind of clarify like i'm not like this

609
00:21:20,470 --> 00:21:19,360
is prometheus's gig prometheus is a

610
00:21:21,430 --> 00:21:20,480
production company those are the guys

611
00:21:23,430 --> 00:21:21,440
that are out there in the field they're

612
00:21:25,590 --> 00:21:23,440
putting it together they're

613
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:25,600
kicking you know kicking butt with it

614
00:21:29,669 --> 00:21:28,000
um but uh i can you know from my

615
00:21:31,510 --> 00:21:29,679
experience it's out there

616
00:21:32,950 --> 00:21:31,520
they happened

617
00:21:34,710 --> 00:21:32,960
each and every time i was there it

618
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:34,720
happened um which was multiple i mean i

619
00:21:37,510 --> 00:21:35,679
don't

620
00:21:39,430 --> 00:21:37,520
i mean i was probably there a dozen

621
00:21:41,270 --> 00:21:39,440
times maybe i

622
00:21:42,789 --> 00:21:41,280
give or take i just don't remember

623
00:21:44,230 --> 00:21:42,799
because we would stay at a hotel and

624
00:21:47,990 --> 00:21:44,240
then you're going back and forth all the

625
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:48,000
time so i mean multiple occasions and uh

626
00:21:51,190 --> 00:21:49,360
so it happened the first even the first

627
00:21:53,190 --> 00:21:51,200
time i was out there

628
00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:53,200
uh it started um

629
00:21:57,430 --> 00:21:54,880
i you know you get the little bit of

630
00:21:59,990 --> 00:21:57,440
dizzy stuff happening um the onset of

631
00:22:01,669 --> 00:22:00,000
that uh so i should also let me back up

632
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,679
for a second uh

633
00:22:06,230 --> 00:22:02,960
initially

634
00:22:07,990 --> 00:22:06,240
the travis taylor role i was the guy who

635
00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:08,000
is playing that role

636
00:22:11,350 --> 00:22:08,880
um

637
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:11,360
in the pitch in the initial presentation

638
00:22:14,789 --> 00:22:12,880
reel to the networks

639
00:22:16,470 --> 00:22:14,799
and uh it was it was mainly because they

640
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:16,480
okay i tracked this down did this had an

641
00:22:20,470 --> 00:22:18,400
interest had experience on camera off

642
00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,480
camera i was into tech

643
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,559
and it was a good enough it was a good

644
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:25,120
enough fit um to put it together once it

645
00:22:28,549 --> 00:22:26,880
gets to the network it's and rightfully

646
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,559
so you know they want to add uh they

647
00:22:31,669 --> 00:22:29,600
want someone with credentials and

648
00:22:33,510 --> 00:22:31,679
credibility and to their you know they

649
00:22:34,789 --> 00:22:33,520
good on them they did a great choice

650
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:34,799
perfect selection

651
00:22:40,549 --> 00:22:38,080
uh the uh but so there's even video of

652
00:22:43,590 --> 00:22:40,559
me like having some of these episodes uh

653
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,600
there was one where digging and i my my

654
00:22:50,070 --> 00:22:46,400
heart rate goes like nuts we all have

655
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,080
wrist uh monitors on and eric bart uh

656
00:22:53,190 --> 00:22:52,000
here grabs me like literally takes me

657
00:22:55,750 --> 00:22:53,200
out of a hole

658
00:22:57,190 --> 00:22:55,760
and uh puts me up against one of the the

659
00:22:59,350 --> 00:22:57,200
those little pope they used to call them

660
00:23:02,789 --> 00:22:59,360
the pope mobiles yeah those little pope

661
00:23:03,830 --> 00:23:02,799
mobile things yes yeah um and uh so you

662
00:23:04,950 --> 00:23:03,840
know he's checking my paws and stuff and

663
00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,960
it's through the roof and there's no

664
00:23:08,870 --> 00:23:07,200
rhyme or reason i'm pretty healthy guy

665
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,880
i don't have any you know knock wood to

666
00:23:12,230 --> 00:23:10,640
have any ailments

667
00:23:13,830 --> 00:23:12,240
and uh

668
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,840
that was kind of the first one you know

669
00:23:19,430 --> 00:23:16,000
breaking out sweat and whatever and then

670
00:23:21,430 --> 00:23:19,440
at right after that moments later

671
00:23:25,190 --> 00:23:21,440
strangely enough and it made the first

672
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:25,200
episode too um that was my cell phone

673
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,039
so my cell phone dies out there

674
00:23:30,870 --> 00:23:29,520
immediately just it bricks and i'm

675
00:23:32,870 --> 00:23:30,880
trapped you know like so i'm out there

676
00:23:34,470 --> 00:23:32,880
with joel and it's like i have so much

677
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:34,480
stuff on my phone my production stuff

678
00:23:38,710 --> 00:23:35,919
everything and luckily i have it synced

679
00:23:39,590 --> 00:23:38,720
and so i could use my pc later but

680
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:39,600
uh

681
00:23:43,510 --> 00:23:41,600
my phone gets pricked and it was a new

682
00:23:46,789 --> 00:23:43,520
phone at the time it couldn't figure it

683
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:46,799
out done no yeah just done done and eric

684
00:23:50,470 --> 00:23:48,320
and so so much so that i was like here

685
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:50,480
eric keep it and that's what that's why

686
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:52,080
it was in the first episode on the table

687
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,360
you'll see he's got a couple of phones

688
00:23:58,470 --> 00:23:56,159
and i'm like that's my phone

689
00:24:00,230 --> 00:23:58,480
he's crazy and he sent me he sent me

690
00:24:01,750 --> 00:24:00,240
this shot like he eventually gets it

691
00:24:03,669 --> 00:24:01,760
booted back up and everything it's just

692
00:24:05,110 --> 00:24:03,679
toasted he took it you know

693
00:24:06,230 --> 00:24:05,120
part of it was fried

694
00:24:08,310 --> 00:24:06,240
and uh

695
00:24:10,630 --> 00:24:08,320
there was a crazy image on it that we

696
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:10,640
couldn't figure out uh i gotta see if i

697
00:24:14,390 --> 00:24:12,799
can get that and i think it felt like it

698
00:24:15,510 --> 00:24:14,400
was it wasn't like a skin walker in his

699
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:15,520
head i don't think i had anything with

700
00:24:19,269 --> 00:24:16,880
the ranch i think i had to do with some

701
00:24:21,510 --> 00:24:19,279
malware or something that maybe i had or

702
00:24:24,230 --> 00:24:21,520
or the operating system or some update

703
00:24:25,830 --> 00:24:24,240
that something got pushed but it was

704
00:24:27,430 --> 00:24:25,840
just funny that was years later or that

705
00:24:29,990 --> 00:24:27,440
was you know yeah over a year later but

706
00:24:31,110 --> 00:24:30,000
so the phone bricks uh and just kept

707
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,120
things just kept getting weirder and

708
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:32,480
weirder and

709
00:24:36,549 --> 00:24:34,080
uh i wasn't having i was getting a

710
00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,559
little ear ringing and i had it

711
00:24:39,909 --> 00:24:38,320
one i remember one night having the

712
00:24:41,590 --> 00:24:39,919
smells getting the sulfur smells out

713
00:24:42,549 --> 00:24:41,600
there uh

714
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:42,559
but

715
00:24:45,510 --> 00:24:44,159
i didn't i wasn't hearing the music or

716
00:24:47,269 --> 00:24:45,520
anything and it would all and when i

717
00:24:48,789 --> 00:24:47,279
would leave it would go away when i

718
00:24:49,590 --> 00:24:48,799
would leave the ranch like to go it's

719
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:49,600
gone

720
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:52,159
uh then the one of the last

721
00:24:55,669 --> 00:24:53,679
days on the i think it was the first

722
00:24:57,269 --> 00:24:55,679
trip one of the last days it hit me

723
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:57,279
again the sound

724
00:24:59,750 --> 00:24:58,880
and then that stayed with me it stayed

725
00:25:02,310 --> 00:24:59,760
with me

726
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:02,320
from my my next couple of visits

727
00:25:06,870 --> 00:25:05,120
uh months in you know between time

728
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,880
and uh then that's the same time like i

729
00:25:09,590 --> 00:25:08,240
think the second time i had that and

730
00:25:11,350 --> 00:25:09,600
then i also had i was starting to have

731
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,360
respiratory issues

732
00:25:15,029 --> 00:25:13,120
that just wouldn't go away

733
00:25:17,029 --> 00:25:15,039
and that lasted like a good nine months

734
00:25:18,470 --> 00:25:17,039
so multiple visits back and forth and

735
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,480
i'm going back and you know i'm in new

736
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:20,480
york city at the time you know me my

737
00:25:24,710 --> 00:25:21,360
wife

738
00:25:25,990 --> 00:25:24,720
uh he had my son at the time and um you

739
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:26,000
know i was just sick

740
00:25:28,470 --> 00:25:27,279
going to the doctor they couldn't figure

741
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:28,480
it out

742
00:25:31,590 --> 00:25:29,840
and i've told the story a few times

743
00:25:33,029 --> 00:25:31,600
already so you know they do blood tests

744
00:25:34,549 --> 00:25:33,039
and stuff and

745
00:25:36,870 --> 00:25:34,559
i don't have the technical terms for it

746
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:36,880
but when they take your blood different

747
00:25:40,230 --> 00:25:38,720
parts of the country can run different

748
00:25:41,350 --> 00:25:40,240
kinds of tests

749
00:25:43,350 --> 00:25:41,360
and when i say it's something like the

750
00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:43,360
palette right like maybe the the testing

751
00:25:48,070 --> 00:25:45,760
palette or so to speak yeah and they can

752
00:25:50,310 --> 00:25:48,080
run tests for certain certain things

753
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,320
right um my doctor was you know she went

754
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,760
as far as using the word alien not

755
00:25:55,430 --> 00:25:53,600
meaning alien outer space but alien as

756
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,440
in we don't know what this could be

757
00:25:59,430 --> 00:25:57,520
right and uh because it just coming kept

758
00:26:01,190 --> 00:25:59,440
coming back they don't know

759
00:26:03,430 --> 00:26:01,200
but my i'm clearly

760
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,440
my lung i was having swelling in my you

761
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:06,000
know respiratory swelling um

762
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:07,200
i don't know if it's esophagus whatever

763
00:26:10,230 --> 00:26:08,559
the hell it was they put me in an iron

764
00:26:11,110 --> 00:26:10,240
lung had me breathing and all this other

765
00:26:12,789 --> 00:26:11,120
stuff

766
00:26:14,710 --> 00:26:12,799
and uh just couldn't get to the bottom

767
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,720
of it and

768
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:16,240
you know she was saying like maybe if i

769
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,840
got blood work done out there next time

770
00:26:20,950 --> 00:26:19,919
i had gone that they could determine

771
00:26:23,350 --> 00:26:20,960
what it is maybe their test they could

772
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:23,360
test for something that is localized to

773
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:24,480
that area

774
00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:26,320
and and i'm just i was trying to stay

775
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,080
grounded like in you know reality right

776
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:29,919
i was trying not to go to the woo-woo i

777
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:31,600
was just trying to say okay you know

778
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,440
it's not woo it's maybe it's something

779
00:26:37,830 --> 00:26:35,360
in the soil maybe it's i'm allergic to

780
00:26:40,149 --> 00:26:37,840
something it could be in the tree bark

781
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,159
who knows um and just never got to the

782
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,919
bottom of it but during that time the

783
00:26:46,149 --> 00:26:44,240
heat the ringing

784
00:26:48,630 --> 00:26:46,159
on multiple multiple multiple occasions

785
00:26:49,669 --> 00:26:48,640
um it turned into music and i just wish

786
00:26:52,470 --> 00:26:49,679
that i

787
00:26:55,430 --> 00:26:52,480
i had hummed the tune into my phone or

788
00:26:57,990 --> 00:26:55,440
something um but it turned into i just

789
00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:58,000
kept calling it old-timey music

790
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,880
and

791
00:27:01,430 --> 00:27:00,559
you know i picture like old-timey music

792
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:01,440
like

793
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:04,960
you know

794
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,679
splatoon is on the ground and you walk

795
00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:13,120
in and it's like somebody playing the

796
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:14,960
crank that little cranky thing and

797
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,880
that's where the music's coming from wow

798
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,480
uh that that's the kind of music i was

799
00:27:22,630 --> 00:27:20,799
hearing and my wife you know it scared

800
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:22,640
her because she

801
00:27:25,830 --> 00:27:24,399
the one instance i have burned in my

802
00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:25,840
memory is like i'm

803
00:27:31,190 --> 00:27:29,039
my head i got my ear put on the ground

804
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:31,200
on the stairwell going upstairs because

805
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,120
i'm hearing it and it felt like i'm like

806
00:27:35,909 --> 00:27:34,559
where the hell is this coming from and i

807
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:35,919
kept thinking it's coming from the walls

808
00:27:41,190 --> 00:27:37,039
like the matrix don't think it's in the

809
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,310
wow

810
00:27:48,950 --> 00:27:44,640
and then there's like eli wallach and

811
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,950
honey get over here

812
00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:52,640
what is this

813
00:27:56,789 --> 00:27:54,559
i scared her though man i scared her

814
00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,799
yeah that's wild and so but i could

815
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:58,320
never figure out

816
00:28:02,710 --> 00:27:59,840
what it was and then event i think after

817
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:02,720
my last time um when last time i was out

818
00:28:05,669 --> 00:28:04,159
there when we finally went and signed

819
00:28:07,909 --> 00:28:05,679
everything and

820
00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:07,919
and uh i feel like that was the last

821
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:09,679
i went home and it was gone i hadn't

822
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:11,840
heard it anymore um eric eric kept

823
00:28:14,950 --> 00:28:13,760
telling me you know i had a uh i had a

824
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:14,960
hitchhiker

825
00:28:18,710 --> 00:28:17,760
um i don't know what to make of that uh

826
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:18,720
i don't

827
00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:21,200
claim it to know any of it uh

828
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,720
something's going on

829
00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,240
right i just don't know what it is but

830
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,559
uh yeah that's my experience um that's

831
00:28:32,070 --> 00:28:29,279
my audit my sensory one i guess well

832
00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:32,080
thank you so much for sharing all that

833
00:28:34,870 --> 00:28:33,679
i wasn't dodging is there anything else

834
00:28:36,230 --> 00:28:34,880
like i know i hope i didn't leave

835
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,240
anything out i've got her i've got i

836
00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:39,039
want to what i want you to do uh tj is

837
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,840
to take us inside the rental car

838
00:28:46,470 --> 00:28:43,440
you've left the hotel

839
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,480
okay you're driving to the ranch okay we

840
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:48,080
arrive at the ranch

841
00:28:51,029 --> 00:28:50,080
and as you're getting ready to turn the

842
00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:51,039
car

843
00:28:55,750 --> 00:28:52,480
into the ranch

844
00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:55,760
is there a feeling that you get or is it

845
00:29:01,909 --> 00:28:56,960
just

846
00:29:03,510 --> 00:29:01,919
no i uh so the what do you feel when the

847
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:03,520
first time

848
00:29:09,430 --> 00:29:08,159
right i was super scared and the signs

849
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:09,440
and stuff that you see now they're not

850
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,320
there

851
00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:12,399
well the ones that i have photos of of

852
00:29:17,510 --> 00:29:15,120
me first getting there and like jim

853
00:29:19,269 --> 00:29:17,520
jim and this one michelle they were kind

854
00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:19,279
of escorting me out me and joel taking

855
00:29:23,029 --> 00:29:20,240
us on

856
00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:23,039
and uh it was um

857
00:29:26,389 --> 00:29:25,360
yeah was this it was more excitement and

858
00:29:27,269 --> 00:29:26,399
fear

859
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:27,279
and

860
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:29,520
the but after that time because i

861
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:31,679
realized the first time what i'm sort of

862
00:29:34,950 --> 00:29:33,279
trying to get at is what you felt when

863
00:29:37,510 --> 00:29:34,960
it's like okay i'm going back it's

864
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:37,520
another day of shooting and and now that

865
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:40,799
you know what to expect how do you oh so

866
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,880
yeah uh

867
00:29:46,470 --> 00:29:44,640
there's that one at that first episode

868
00:29:48,230 --> 00:29:46,480
they were saying shields up right where

869
00:29:50,630 --> 00:29:48,240
they were talking about like

870
00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,640
like that yeah

871
00:29:54,789 --> 00:29:52,480
sort of and so they gave me a power

872
00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:54,799
stone they gave me this big stone that i

873
00:30:00,070 --> 00:29:57,919
kept in my my i had my cargo shorts on

874
00:30:01,110 --> 00:30:00,080
and uh i had this big stone in my pocket

875
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:01,120
they were like they call it a power

876
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,840
stone and that was um supposed to ward

877
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:06,080
things off and i it had

878
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:07,440
been successful i guess you know the

879
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,880
first few times i was there for the

880
00:30:13,510 --> 00:30:11,039
first few days because it really didn't

881
00:30:15,110 --> 00:30:13,520
hit it wasn't like a uh

882
00:30:16,230 --> 00:30:15,120
i can't yeah i can't even remember was

883
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,240
the first

884
00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:17,520
two or three days

885
00:30:21,430 --> 00:30:20,000
i think that stone i i guess i remember

886
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:21,440
saying that the stone must have worked

887
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:23,039
and i feel like at a certain point it

888
00:30:27,269 --> 00:30:24,000
stopped

889
00:30:29,590 --> 00:30:27,279
and again i'm just i don't know i'm just

890
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:29,600
you you re you try to be respectful for

891
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,039
people if they're putting faith in

892
00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:33,760
something like that then who am i to

893
00:30:38,310 --> 00:30:36,640
discount it uh you know listen if it

894
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:38,320
works then that's awesome if it doesn't

895
00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,600
that's fine too i got a rock in my

896
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:41,279
pocket i'm okay

897
00:30:46,070 --> 00:30:42,000
but

898
00:30:49,190 --> 00:30:46,080
to go back and

899
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:49,200
joel he didn't he didn't have any issues

900
00:30:54,149 --> 00:30:52,080
at all we did have a lot of tech issues

901
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,159
though but you're scared you're kind of

902
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,480
hyper aware of stuff

903
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,080
uh and then you

904
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:00,720
you know you see things you you you see

905
00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:02,159
things and your is your mind playing

906
00:31:06,630 --> 00:31:05,039
tricks on you is it not am i am am i

907
00:31:07,750 --> 00:31:06,640
really seeing that did that really

908
00:31:08,950 --> 00:31:07,760
happen then you you know you're always

909
00:31:10,149 --> 00:31:08,960
asking like did you guys see that did

910
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:10,159
you see that

911
00:31:14,070 --> 00:31:12,240
uh and then i had gone out with caleb

912
00:31:15,269 --> 00:31:14,080
for a long time alone the two of us just

913
00:31:17,830 --> 00:31:15,279
like driving around the property and

914
00:31:19,029 --> 00:31:17,840
stuff and we saw crazy stuff man i'm not

915
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:19,039
gonna lie

916
00:31:21,669 --> 00:31:19,840
uh

917
00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,679
but he's just like you're

918
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,279
i was gonna ask you if it's your

919
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,919
attitude that prevents you from being

920
00:31:31,509 --> 00:31:28,080
fearful but i do i do need to get akashi

921
00:31:33,110 --> 00:31:31,519
chris on here but if i is it is it your

922
00:31:34,950 --> 00:31:33,120
approach because people talk about what

923
00:31:36,950 --> 00:31:34,960
you bring to the ranch is what it's

924
00:31:38,630 --> 00:31:36,960
going to reflect back on you so if

925
00:31:40,149 --> 00:31:38,640
you're bringing an aggressive attitude

926
00:31:42,549 --> 00:31:40,159
if you're bringing weaponry

927
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,559
is is your approach you uh is that

928
00:31:47,509 --> 00:31:44,720
causal in the fact that you don't feel

929
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,519
threatened at all times

930
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:49,200
i don't know uh

931
00:31:52,710 --> 00:31:51,039
i don't know i can only go by with the

932
00:31:55,750 --> 00:31:52,720
you know with everyone else's like a

933
00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:55,760
body of experiences or you know the

934
00:31:59,750 --> 00:31:58,080
numerous experiences what everyone is

935
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,760
saying is you know this is kind of the

936
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:00,960
way it works

937
00:32:06,789 --> 00:32:04,080
uh for me um maybe i never felt

938
00:32:08,230 --> 00:32:06,799
threatened or anything it's uh you know

939
00:32:09,750 --> 00:32:08,240
i think it one of the conversations i

940
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,760
was having with eric is like well listen

941
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,799
maybe it liked you just wanted to go

942
00:32:13,830 --> 00:32:12,159
home with you he maybe felt like you're

943
00:32:15,669 --> 00:32:13,840
a pretty cool guy and it was like hey

944
00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:15,679
charm the spirits they want to go back

945
00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,880
to motel 6. could we teach or hampton in

946
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:21,279
wherever he's staying i think it was

947
00:32:25,029 --> 00:32:22,960
the wintertime suites actually i think

948
00:32:27,190 --> 00:32:25,039
it was it was tom winterton suites

949
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:27,200
spirits next time he's there

950
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,640
just ask the front desk clerk they'll

951
00:32:32,230 --> 00:32:30,799
tell you akashi chris

952
00:32:38,710 --> 00:32:32,240
yeah let's get her on here dad thank you

953
00:32:44,389 --> 00:32:40,789
where's that name come from akashi chris

954
00:32:46,630 --> 00:32:44,399
why do i know that my name is chris and

955
00:32:49,909 --> 00:32:46,640
but it gets better than that um i'm

956
00:32:52,230 --> 00:32:49,919
actually um obsessed with the akashic

957
00:32:54,789 --> 00:32:52,240
field and akashic records

958
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,799
and the ability to you know use your

959
00:33:00,870 --> 00:32:56,880
mind and you know really hook up to that

960
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:00,880
network the lies within you know and and

961
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:04,000
this is a huge puzzle so and i'm like

962
00:33:07,269 --> 00:33:05,600
there's got to be something that

963
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,279
creative intelligence of the universe

964
00:33:10,789 --> 00:33:09,360
sitting right there and it's like some

965
00:33:13,350 --> 00:33:10,799
people learn how to write it and some

966
00:33:15,830 --> 00:33:13,360
don't so that's where i got the akashic

967
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:15,840
chris i thought it'd be like gosh

968
00:33:19,029 --> 00:33:17,360
he thought it was the label that put out

969
00:33:20,630 --> 00:33:19,039
motley crue's records but it's not oh my

970
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:20,640
god

971
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,000
but anyway

972
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,159
it's a common misconception yeah same

973
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:27,120
lovely group and yes for anybody looking

974
00:33:31,590 --> 00:33:28,960
yes that is travis taylor behind me

975
00:33:33,750 --> 00:33:31,600
because i'm a super fan girl of the show

976
00:33:36,230 --> 00:33:33,760
um tj it is it's definitely a pleasure

977
00:33:37,909 --> 00:33:36,240
talking to you so i i do have um

978
00:33:39,190 --> 00:33:37,919
i have some questions and something

979
00:33:40,950 --> 00:33:39,200
specific

980
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,960
based on your experience so in looking

981
00:33:44,870 --> 00:33:42,799
at like going back to season one i've

982
00:33:47,909 --> 00:33:44,880
watched multiple times so going back to

983
00:33:49,909 --> 00:33:47,919
season one again and um there's so much

984
00:33:51,909 --> 00:33:49,919
focus and and this flows perfect to the

985
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:51,919
previous conversation so much focus on

986
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,440
the equipment

987
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:56,559
and the failures and um and i wasn't

988
00:33:59,990 --> 00:33:58,399
sure how much i mean obviously it's a

989
00:34:01,990 --> 00:34:00,000
production and you're you know you have

990
00:34:04,149 --> 00:34:02,000
to you know it's really cool

991
00:34:07,190 --> 00:34:04,159
i can't believe that that bricked phone

992
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:07,200
was yours that's crazy so

993
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:11,679
as as a producer and um what percentage

994
00:34:15,990 --> 00:34:15,119
of your efforts do you think were

995
00:34:17,510 --> 00:34:16,000
were

996
00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:17,520
hurt or

997
00:34:23,510 --> 00:34:21,040
halted or somewhat distracted by the

998
00:34:25,589 --> 00:34:23,520
phenomenon because that that i think you

999
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:25,599
were in a living lab under

1000
00:34:29,430 --> 00:34:27,839
conditions that might not want you to

1001
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:29,440
find out so can you tell me a little bit

1002
00:34:31,510 --> 00:34:30,399
about that

1003
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:31,520
sure i don't know if i'll give you a

1004
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,839
percentage

1005
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:34,399
uh

1006
00:34:38,069 --> 00:34:36,159
yeah yeah no no i i don't i'm just

1007
00:34:39,669 --> 00:34:38,079
trying to be like as transparent as i

1008
00:34:41,190 --> 00:34:39,679
can with stuff like i'll answer all this

1009
00:34:42,550 --> 00:34:41,200
as best i can

1010
00:34:45,030 --> 00:34:42,560
the equipment thing is you always bring

1011
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:45,040
backups upon backups right so you

1012
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:47,520
usually you don't

1013
00:34:51,109 --> 00:34:49,280
you don't miss a shot you don't i mean

1014
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:51,119
well no you can miss it in the moment

1015
00:34:55,030 --> 00:34:53,040
but i mean if you're if your plan is

1016
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:55,040
we're going to do an aerial shot of this

1017
00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:56,480
of you know fly over the ranch with a

1018
00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:58,160
drone i keep hitting my own microphone

1019
00:34:59,750 --> 00:34:58,960
i'm

1020
00:35:06,870 --> 00:34:59,760
trying to

1021
00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,790
the other side of the pillow tj continue

1022
00:35:15,109 --> 00:35:13,510
the uh if you're trying to get a shot

1023
00:35:17,109 --> 00:35:15,119
like that or like you know you got

1024
00:35:19,190 --> 00:35:17,119
something slated to do you're going to

1025
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:19,200
get it one way or another if if it

1026
00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:20,320
doesn't work that day maybe it's the

1027
00:35:24,390 --> 00:35:22,480
next day if it's something like that so

1028
00:35:25,829 --> 00:35:24,400
you're going to get the stuff done

1029
00:35:29,349 --> 00:35:25,839
but it's definitely a pain in the butt

1030
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,359
like i had one of our dji the phantom 2

1031
00:35:33,270 --> 00:35:31,200
pro i think it was at the time the big

1032
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,280
white one it sounds like bees

1033
00:35:36,710 --> 00:35:35,359
you know when they when it flies uh

1034
00:35:38,710 --> 00:35:36,720
things fell out of the sky like

1035
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:38,720
literally the sky just like you saw in

1036
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:41,280
front of homestead 2 how it would lose

1037
00:35:45,030 --> 00:35:42,480
the difference was it was in the air

1038
00:35:47,270 --> 00:35:45,040
when it happened wow

1039
00:35:48,550 --> 00:35:47,280
it just

1040
00:35:50,230 --> 00:35:48,560
and at that time

1041
00:35:53,589 --> 00:35:50,240
the guy was shooting with us

1042
00:35:58,230 --> 00:35:55,910
he works on the

1043
00:36:00,630 --> 00:35:58,240
expedition expedition unknown mm-hmm the

1044
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,640
one with uh joshua

1045
00:36:03,510 --> 00:36:02,640
yeah so evan stone his name is he's

1046
00:36:04,950 --> 00:36:03,520
awesome

1047
00:36:07,109 --> 00:36:04,960
dp uh

1048
00:36:08,390 --> 00:36:07,119
he travels the world and he's like

1049
00:36:09,589 --> 00:36:08,400
listen guy i

1050
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:09,599
i've never seen that like he's been

1051
00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,200
everywhere he's seen right with josh

1052
00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:13,520
gates has been everywhere so yeah and

1053
00:36:17,030 --> 00:36:15,440
evan's like dude

1054
00:36:18,310 --> 00:36:17,040
yeah i don't know he goes it does this

1055
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,320
stuff does happen in these certain

1056
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,920
locations around the world

1057
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:21,839
um so i don't know if there's anything

1058
00:36:26,710 --> 00:36:24,800
gets actually missed stuff gets lost

1059
00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:26,720
though and so that's funny one of the

1060
00:36:31,109 --> 00:36:29,359
first times we were out there brandon

1061
00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:31,119
the first day we shot

1062
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:32,800
uh we were doing some shots me and just

1063
00:36:35,990 --> 00:36:34,240
me and joel this is the first trip we

1064
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:36,000
took out there first time i met them in

1065
00:36:39,109 --> 00:36:37,040
real life

1066
00:36:41,829 --> 00:36:39,119
um after tracking them down for over a

1067
00:36:43,510 --> 00:36:41,839
year the uh

1068
00:36:44,710 --> 00:36:43,520
when we left we went back to the hotel

1069
00:36:46,390 --> 00:36:44,720
that night and you check all your

1070
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:46,400
footage and you you know

1071
00:36:51,109 --> 00:36:48,720
okay let me step back footage doesn't

1072
00:36:51,990 --> 00:36:51,119
exist unless it exists in two places

1073
00:36:53,349 --> 00:36:52,000
right

1074
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:53,359
doesn't matter you can have a cop if you

1075
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:54,480
don't have a copy of something you might

1076
00:36:57,430 --> 00:36:56,000
as well not have it because if that copy

1077
00:36:59,670 --> 00:36:57,440
gets lost then it's

1078
00:37:01,190 --> 00:36:59,680
useless so when you

1079
00:37:02,310 --> 00:37:01,200
bring it back you know you dump you it's

1080
00:37:03,990 --> 00:37:02,320
called dumping your footage right you

1081
00:37:05,750 --> 00:37:04,000
dump your footage and you make a copy of

1082
00:37:08,470 --> 00:37:05,760
it and so after you make your copy you

1083
00:37:09,750 --> 00:37:08,480
check everything and brandon was like

1084
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:09,760
i'm going to be curious to see if you

1085
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,200
guys got any

1086
00:37:14,950 --> 00:37:13,040
got all the stuff we shot and there was

1087
00:37:17,349 --> 00:37:14,960
some corrupted stuff we missed one

1088
00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:17,359
interview we lost a lot of uh and it

1089
00:37:20,230 --> 00:37:18,800
kept going in and out of focus which was

1090
00:37:21,670 --> 00:37:20,240
weird because it was a manual focus so

1091
00:37:23,109 --> 00:37:21,680
it shouldn't happen

1092
00:37:24,950 --> 00:37:23,119
uh but

1093
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,960
uh when we told him yeah we got most of

1094
00:37:26,950 --> 00:37:25,920
it he's like you know well that's a

1095
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,960
first he goes and you guys are the

1096
00:37:30,870 --> 00:37:28,880
chosen ones he said because most people

1097
00:37:32,870 --> 00:37:30,880
don't get any footage off the ranch it

1098
00:37:33,990 --> 00:37:32,880
just doesn't come off

1099
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:34,000
like wow

1100
00:37:36,390 --> 00:37:35,440
so that was cool

1101
00:37:37,670 --> 00:37:36,400
wow

1102
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:37,680
not that anyone was out there under the

1103
00:37:39,829 --> 00:37:38,640
production companies were out there

1104
00:37:41,670 --> 00:37:39,839
trying to shoot it he's just saying

1105
00:37:42,870 --> 00:37:41,680
historically speaking

1106
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,880
nobody gets

1107
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:45,359
gets any shots off the off the ranch and

1108
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:46,240
uh

1109
00:37:49,990 --> 00:37:48,480
yeah that's exactly what i was wondering

1110
00:37:51,910 --> 00:37:50,000
because it seemed like that there's

1111
00:37:53,829 --> 00:37:51,920
something trying to stop

1112
00:37:56,069 --> 00:37:53,839
you know it's a combination of factors

1113
00:37:57,670 --> 00:37:56,079
right but um there's obviously something

1114
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,680
trying to stop you and i would think

1115
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,680
that that would cause some major

1116
00:38:02,950 --> 00:38:01,359
headaches from a production perspective

1117
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:02,960
because you always have to plan two or

1118
00:38:07,109 --> 00:38:05,119
three times for something that other

1119
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,119
people don't have to be challenged it's

1120
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:09,119
true it's so true like brute force right

1121
00:38:12,630 --> 00:38:11,200
maybe maybe it can't stop brute force

1122
00:38:14,150 --> 00:38:12,640
like maybe you can stop one or two

1123
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:14,160
cameras but if you have a dozen it's

1124
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:15,680
like all right i can't stop all of them

1125
00:38:18,150 --> 00:38:16,480
so

1126
00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:18,160
one of them's going to catch it or maybe

1127
00:38:21,670 --> 00:38:19,920
i had so many questions but i know we're

1128
00:38:23,349 --> 00:38:21,680
running out of time so i'm going to turn

1129
00:38:25,190 --> 00:38:23,359
it back down but i just wanted to thank

1130
00:38:26,470 --> 00:38:25,200
you so much tj because it's been a

1131
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:26,480
pleasure and hopefully we can have you

1132
00:38:30,069 --> 00:38:28,560
back because we have no questions oh

1133
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,079
yeah there's going to be a lot of things

1134
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,640
we have to have part two who let the

1135
00:38:37,510 --> 00:38:35,040
cavs thank you so i'll give it back to

1136
00:38:39,430 --> 00:38:37,520
you dj and nathan thanks guys ma'am uh

1137
00:38:41,430 --> 00:38:39,440
let's bring on flair and he has a

1138
00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:41,440
question he has he has some serious

1139
00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:43,760
questions for tj here it's about to go

1140
00:39:01,589 --> 00:39:00,470
experience

1141
00:39:03,270 --> 00:39:01,599
actually

1142
00:39:04,550 --> 00:39:03,280
switch gears back to that i got some

1143
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,560
questions

1144
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,720
so yeah i might i might know what what

1145
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:08,560
might have happened to you

1146
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,560
you know i need need some more answers

1147
00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,880
first like when they're screening for

1148
00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:16,079
allergies did they check like for

1149
00:39:22,230 --> 00:39:20,400
like pollen i imagine watermelons

1150
00:39:24,310 --> 00:39:22,240
silver nitrate did they screen you for

1151
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:24,320
that maybe oh god

1152
00:39:35,430 --> 00:39:34,710
why

1153
00:39:37,109 --> 00:39:35,440
well

1154
00:39:41,109 --> 00:39:37,119
there's just part of my theory you know

1155
00:39:45,190 --> 00:39:43,030
that's a good beer you got a nice beard

1156
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:45,200
actually very nice

1157
00:39:47,990 --> 00:39:46,240
man

1158
00:39:49,670 --> 00:39:48,000
can i grow a bath i bet it goes pretty

1159
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:49,680
fast right dude

1160
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,440
if i didn't if i went two days it would

1161
00:39:55,190 --> 00:39:53,839
condition everything it's king leonidas

1162
00:39:58,069 --> 00:39:55,200
in the flesh

1163
00:40:02,710 --> 00:39:58,079
right now i got here now i understand

1164
00:40:02,720 --> 00:40:06,470
i wanted to start with this

1165
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:21,750
oh yes we lost messed that up

1166
00:40:25,190 --> 00:40:22,790
good times

1167
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:25,200
all right so um on the night of november

1168
00:40:28,550 --> 00:40:26,400
19

1169
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,560
2021

1170
00:40:33,510 --> 00:40:31,119
which was the beaver moon the last full

1171
00:40:35,670 --> 00:40:33,520
moon okay i didn't name it that

1172
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,680
did you experience any excessive hair

1173
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:37,119
growth

1174
00:40:45,910 --> 00:40:43,190
i don't know i might i always have

1175
00:40:52,550 --> 00:40:45,920
excessive hair growth

1176
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:55,190
how about itching

1177
00:40:59,589 --> 00:40:56,480
probably

1178
00:41:01,589 --> 00:40:59,599
yeah strange behavior like

1179
00:41:04,710 --> 00:41:01,599
drinking out of toilet or anything weird

1180
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,309
that's good this is positive we're

1181
00:41:09,589 --> 00:41:08,400
heading the right direction yeah

1182
00:41:11,670 --> 00:41:09,599
yeah i don't know how weird that is is

1183
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,680
it a tick-tock thing now people make

1184
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:13,040
stuff in toilets and then they eat it

1185
00:41:15,990 --> 00:41:14,319
out of the toilet it could be it

1186
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:16,000
probably is a tick-tock thing yeah yeah

1187
00:41:28,950 --> 00:41:17,359
i think

1188
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,630
i will not judge you

1189
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,720
i will not i watch whatever i can man

1190
00:41:36,150 --> 00:41:34,480
i'm looking

1191
00:41:39,990 --> 00:41:36,160
cool it's cool

1192
00:41:41,589 --> 00:41:40,000
so do your like odd tastes like

1193
00:41:43,910 --> 00:41:41,599
trigger any hostility from your

1194
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:43,920
co-workers i mean you know the drinking

1195
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:46,319
from the toilets and the

1196
00:41:57,829 --> 00:41:55,030
and a few good men we better get

1197
00:41:59,270 --> 00:41:57,839
somewhere counselor

1198
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,280
oh you're leaving like these little

1199
00:42:03,430 --> 00:42:01,599
nuggets right so what i'm hearing is

1200
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:03,440
what i'm hearing like so

1201
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:05,280
i have to be pretty crass to get this

1202
00:42:08,390 --> 00:42:06,560
out but have you heard of this this

1203
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,400
thing now they call it poop mask in the

1204
00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:10,480
office have you heard of this

1205
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:13,119
like people have no i guess it's a thing

1206
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,319
i haven't been to an office in a while

1207
00:42:17,829 --> 00:42:16,000
right because i because of code times

1208
00:42:21,190 --> 00:42:17,839
and everything but somebody mentioned

1209
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:21,200
this and i had to go and google it um i

1210
00:42:24,309 --> 00:42:23,040
guess a lot of hr departments and bigger

1211
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,319
companies you're not allowed to wear

1212
00:42:29,829 --> 00:42:27,119
your mask in the restroom

1213
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:29,839
if you're going to the bathroom i i i

1214
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,480
don't understand it because it could

1215
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,560
get on your mask and pollute your mask

1216
00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:36,640
and then you're spreading that

1217
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:40,160
like oh my god who knew um so when you

1218
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:41,920
talk about drinking out of the toilet or

1219
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:44,720
something it just kind of triggered that

1220
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,960
no that's cool man i like i like where

1221
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,440
this is going random info

1222
00:42:54,630 --> 00:42:52,079
yeah random info okay so how about let's

1223
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,640
talk about favorite food like how do you

1224
00:43:00,550 --> 00:42:56,000
like your steak

1225
00:43:04,870 --> 00:43:02,710
i like it very rare

1226
00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,880
rare okay that's very interesting as

1227
00:43:08,390 --> 00:43:06,960
well that is that's interesting

1228
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,400
yes isn't it

1229
00:43:12,390 --> 00:43:10,640
yeah yeah i think so i think if it's any

1230
00:43:14,710 --> 00:43:12,400
more if it's well done it's it's like

1231
00:43:15,990 --> 00:43:14,720
eating you know leather

1232
00:43:17,910 --> 00:43:16,000
right you have a

1233
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:17,920
predilection towards certain types of

1234
00:43:21,990 --> 00:43:19,920
protein perhaps like

1235
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:22,000
lamb maybe

1236
00:43:25,349 --> 00:43:22,770
do love lamb

1237
00:43:26,630 --> 00:43:25,359
[Laughter]

1238
00:43:28,870 --> 00:43:26,640
i think you better come out with it

1239
00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:28,880
flair because i think i think all the

1240
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:34,309
man

1241
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,200
how about lycanthropy have you ever been

1242
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:38,800
diagnosed with that

1243
00:43:48,309 --> 00:43:46,470
you ever reach for a milk bone sometimes

1244
00:43:50,630 --> 00:43:48,319
i do don't

1245
00:43:52,230 --> 00:43:50,640
i have crazy stories about that i do a

1246
00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:52,240
friend of mine when i was a kid his mom

1247
00:43:56,470 --> 00:43:54,400
used to give us milk bones as treats and

1248
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,480
i tell my son this and he calls he calls

1249
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,000
bs on me and then i'll take we have a

1250
00:44:01,750 --> 00:44:00,240
dog i'd take a milk bone and i'll bite a

1251
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,760
milk bone and he'll dad what are you

1252
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,240
doing like no it doesn't you can eat it

1253
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,520
it's okay

1254
00:44:09,750 --> 00:44:07,440
it's almost like he's a prophet

1255
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,760
flair you're a prophetic i don't know

1256
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,280
what to say about what i've experienced

1257
00:44:19,030 --> 00:44:16,550
you are the secret of skinwalker ranch

1258
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:20,390
he hasn't

1259
00:44:25,270 --> 00:44:23,119
he believes flair tell him what what

1260
00:44:26,150 --> 00:44:25,280
your theory is yes

1261
00:44:27,910 --> 00:44:26,160
bro

1262
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:27,920
you are a werewolf

1263
00:44:35,430 --> 00:44:34,550
you had some time lost sweating all that

1264
00:44:37,670 --> 00:44:35,440
stuff

1265
00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,680
would you like to respond to that tj

1266
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:39,760
honestly be honest with us

1267
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:40,880
listen

1268
00:44:44,550 --> 00:44:42,000
it could be

1269
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:44,560
i can't say no

1270
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:47,200
i've had i definitely i could see that

1271
00:44:51,030 --> 00:44:48,480
now as you're saying this i'm having

1272
00:44:52,470 --> 00:44:51,040
like that aha moment at the end of the

1273
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:52,480
what was the bruce willis movie where

1274
00:45:01,829 --> 00:44:59,829
i'm having that flashback i'm like oh my

1275
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,839
god oh my god oh my god oh my god all

1276
00:45:05,910 --> 00:45:04,560
these things playing out in my head like

1277
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:05,920
you're right

1278
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:08,000
yes so i all along you may have solved

1279
00:45:11,829 --> 00:45:10,000
it here yeah right all right chris i

1280
00:45:13,510 --> 00:45:11,839
mean i don't know what to say now i i

1281
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:13,520
feel like we might have answers now

1282
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:15,119
we've been wondering what's going on in

1283
00:45:24,790 --> 00:45:22,470
i mean take over nathan i'm just yeah

1284
00:45:26,790 --> 00:45:24,800
wait were you there were you guys there

1285
00:45:28,710 --> 00:45:26,800
uh all of you or when we were talking

1286
00:45:30,230 --> 00:45:28,720
about the um and maybe somebody sent me

1287
00:45:32,550 --> 00:45:30,240
something on twitter about the guy who

1288
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:32,560
claimed it who claimed the skinwalker

1289
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:37,670
yeah so there's a there's a real court

1290
00:45:40,630 --> 00:45:38,880
case about this it was a different

1291
00:45:42,150 --> 00:45:40,640
twitter space and like

1292
00:45:44,630 --> 00:45:42,160
where um

1293
00:45:46,069 --> 00:45:44,640
there's a real life

1294
00:45:47,349 --> 00:45:46,079
so there is a real component to this

1295
00:45:48,790 --> 00:45:47,359
game yeah i think that's deb i'm going

1296
00:45:51,670 --> 00:45:48,800
to bring her back here for that because

1297
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:51,680
uh she knows about that

1298
00:45:54,550 --> 00:45:52,720
debbie

1299
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,560
come back there you go go ahead yeah i

1300
00:45:58,870 --> 00:45:56,880
was just saying that um after we talked

1301
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,880
about that a little bit i found two

1302
00:46:04,790 --> 00:46:01,520
cases about that two different cases

1303
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:04,800
about people from the navajo claiming

1304
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,280
that skinwalkers were uh part of the

1305
00:46:11,349 --> 00:46:09,040
reason for their crimes

1306
00:46:13,190 --> 00:46:11,359
right and did one i in correct if i'm

1307
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:13,200
wrong but i thought the one guy the

1308
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,040
judge accepted that as a defense at

1309
00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,800
least in one right was it a maybe it was

1310
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,240
a murder case a brother killing a

1311
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,680
brother or something

1312
00:46:23,109 --> 00:46:21,359
it was remember i don't remember the

1313
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,119
final verdict i just remembered that

1314
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:25,200
they considered it at length and one was

1315
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:26,400
an uncle

1316
00:46:32,470 --> 00:46:30,720
scared of and they considered that at

1317
00:46:36,309 --> 00:46:32,480
length and said this was his belief he

1318
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:36,319
was scared his uncle was a skin walker

1319
00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:37,599
yep yes

1320
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:40,400
maybe maybe it got in

1321
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:42,319
i don't know man i get it the hair and

1322
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,520
uh

1323
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,839
no he we you know we just wanted to come

1324
00:46:49,750 --> 00:46:47,839
up with with something uh

1325
00:46:51,349 --> 00:46:49,760
with some funnies and thankfully flair

1326
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,359
came up with that and it was and uh it

1327
00:46:53,990 --> 00:46:52,640
was beautiful

1328
00:46:55,829 --> 00:46:54,000
now i know why you guys were breaking my

1329
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:55,839
chops about i'm like

1330
00:46:58,950 --> 00:46:57,520
you knew something was going on yeah

1331
00:47:01,270 --> 00:46:58,960
yeah like no one's ever commented on

1332
00:47:03,109 --> 00:47:01,280
that before but okay i'll go with it

1333
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:03,119
more the milk bone comment is what

1334
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,880
really threw me for that yeah you know

1335
00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:06,000
what's gonna happen

1336
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,760
hey guys i think we got to get to this

1337
00:47:13,430 --> 00:47:10,480
because we want to create an opportunity

1338
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,440
for tj and brandon to make a significant

1339
00:47:17,109 --> 00:47:15,440
amount of money something that

1340
00:47:18,390 --> 00:47:17,119
doesn't you know we're not interested

1341
00:47:20,630 --> 00:47:18,400
but we want these guys to make a

1342
00:47:23,109 --> 00:47:20,640
significant amount of money and flair

1343
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,119
actually has created the answer to that

1344
00:47:28,309 --> 00:47:25,599
and he's giving it to you tj

1345
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:28,319
i am awesome yeah

1346
00:47:33,109 --> 00:47:31,440
nathan make it happen man all right

1347
00:47:34,470 --> 00:47:33,119
so here we have

1348
00:47:36,309 --> 00:47:34,480
players own

1349
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:36,319
skin walker ranch

1350
00:47:47,190 --> 00:47:45,829
do you think i have a chance i mean i

1351
00:47:48,790 --> 00:47:47,200
mean you have a chance

1352
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,800
you have a chance you have a chance he

1353
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,440
just needs a photo on there yeah yeah

1354
00:47:56,630 --> 00:47:54,160
absolutely i love this man

1355
00:47:57,829 --> 00:47:56,640
i love this well i don't know about

1356
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,839
merch

1357
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:59,200
is that your only product flare do you

1358
00:48:01,990 --> 00:48:00,319
have another one

1359
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:02,000
i have more i have it in two flavors

1360
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:04,839
actually i have regular and

1361
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:09,990
so

1362
00:48:12,950 --> 00:48:11,280
there you have it

1363
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,960
buttermilk ranch

1364
00:48:16,710 --> 00:48:14,880
buttermilk i love it that was buttermilk

1365
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,720
yes very specific

1366
00:48:20,549 --> 00:48:18,480
and let's call it

1367
00:48:23,190 --> 00:48:20,559
nobody from this show has called the us

1368
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,200
patent office or gone on their website

1369
00:48:27,670 --> 00:48:25,040
and patented it so it's for you and

1370
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:27,680
brandon make it happen

1371
00:48:30,470 --> 00:48:29,200
i you know i i feel like brandon

1372
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:30,480
probably got that locked up i know he's

1373
00:48:34,630 --> 00:48:33,359
got the trademark already on it um

1374
00:48:36,710 --> 00:48:34,640
yeah like

1375
00:48:38,790 --> 00:48:36,720
i know television man that's what i

1376
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,800
that's great i wish i knew how to

1377
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:40,559
merchant sell merchandise and stuff like

1378
00:48:43,750 --> 00:48:41,839
that

1379
00:48:45,510 --> 00:48:43,760
yeah just check go to u.s patent office

1380
00:48:47,990 --> 00:48:45,520
website you can search and see if it's

1381
00:48:50,390 --> 00:48:48,000
patented and it has to be salad dressing

1382
00:48:53,190 --> 00:48:50,400
utility patent

1383
00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:53,200
oh yeah put it on a t-shirt all right at

1384
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:55,320
least yeah claire thank you so much

1385
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:57,040
[Laughter]

1386
00:49:00,230 --> 00:48:58,480
all right let's get akashi chris has

1387
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:00,240
something or nathan has something

1388
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,200
actually uh yes okay sure yeah well

1389
00:49:06,470 --> 00:49:05,119
chris why don't you go go first and then

1390
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:06,480
i'll go after you

1391
00:49:11,109 --> 00:49:08,960
actually i want to um so based on

1392
00:49:12,870 --> 00:49:11,119
everything you've been through if you

1393
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:12,880
could put in a nutshell

1394
00:49:17,829 --> 00:49:15,599
what has changed you about this what

1395
00:49:19,670 --> 00:49:17,839
what is the one thing that

1396
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,680
in the core of your soul has you know

1397
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:21,839
has this experience changed you have to

1398
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:24,240
i think it has based on how you talk and

1399
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:26,880
what what is that you know what is so

1400
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:28,160
different

1401
00:49:31,829 --> 00:49:30,559
about you because of this

1402
00:49:33,829 --> 00:49:31,839
um

1403
00:49:35,990 --> 00:49:33,839
god i uh that's a great question no

1404
00:49:37,750 --> 00:49:36,000
one's asked me that so what

1405
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:37,760
i think i have a new appreciation for

1406
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,359
this it's kind of

1407
00:49:44,309 --> 00:49:41,040
it um

1408
00:49:47,589 --> 00:49:44,319
it opened my i guess it opened my uh

1409
00:49:50,630 --> 00:49:47,599
opened me up to the idea of other stuff

1410
00:49:52,470 --> 00:49:50,640
quote unquote right stuff uh

1411
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:52,480
i think when i initially

1412
00:49:56,710 --> 00:49:55,200
again okay let me step back because

1413
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,720
most of the tv i'd done prior to this

1414
00:50:01,109 --> 00:49:58,559
was like real estate stuff or home

1415
00:50:03,430 --> 00:50:01,119
renovation shows and things like that

1416
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:03,440
so this was um i was approaching this as

1417
00:50:08,230 --> 00:50:05,280
a television project

1418
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,240
and i didn't expect to have any

1419
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,720
any of that any any of the experiences

1420
00:50:15,109 --> 00:50:13,280
that i had uh i

1421
00:50:17,430 --> 00:50:15,119
was an outsider when i first started the

1422
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:17,440
research and looking into us uh being

1423
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,440
outsider looking in you know i only knew

1424
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:20,640
as much as everyone else about the

1425
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:22,400
legend and lore and what i could expect

1426
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:24,559
and what what could or couldn't happen i

1427
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,960
always believed you know

1428
00:50:31,990 --> 00:50:28,960
but since i was young my parents would

1429
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:32,000
tell me like i was very

1430
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:34,240
like almost evangelizing about there's

1431
00:50:36,790 --> 00:50:35,440
aliens there's aliens there's aliens

1432
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:36,800
there's life off the planet and they

1433
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,599
would always tell me there's nothing

1434
00:50:40,549 --> 00:50:39,359
there you're crazy or crazy or crazy and

1435
00:50:42,309 --> 00:50:40,559
it's like well no i got a tv show about

1436
00:50:44,549 --> 00:50:42,319
it so ha so

1437
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,559
the the difference though is now it kind

1438
00:50:48,150 --> 00:50:46,880
of validates it somewhat um

1439
00:50:49,589 --> 00:50:48,160
and uh

1440
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:49,599
but i didn't go into it thinking that it

1441
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:52,400
was gonna be what it is at all i

1442
00:50:57,349 --> 00:50:55,200
i pitched this as a is a

1443
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:57,359
uh paranormal oak island that's how i

1444
00:51:00,630 --> 00:50:58,880
pitched it oak island was my favorite

1445
00:51:02,390 --> 00:51:00,640
show i wanted i was frustrated with

1446
00:51:04,150 --> 00:51:02,400
television about these

1447
00:51:06,390 --> 00:51:04,160
short run experience or these these

1448
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:06,400
short investigations about ghosts right

1449
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,720
two nights at a haunted corner haunted

1450
00:51:12,870 --> 00:51:10,480
place guy takes his shirt off wants to

1451
00:51:14,470 --> 00:51:12,880
fight ghosts with crappy cameras i was

1452
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:14,480
like that's not science there's nothing

1453
00:51:18,069 --> 00:51:16,480
about that at all that's interesting uh

1454
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,079
but this is kind of the way culture had

1455
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,400
gone like we want that that really you

1456
00:51:24,870 --> 00:51:22,800
know the junk food i guess so to speak

1457
00:51:27,190 --> 00:51:24,880
um how do you set up a

1458
00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:27,200
long-term experiment with every device

1459
00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:29,359
that can measure something all the time

1460
00:51:34,069 --> 00:51:30,640
and then

1461
00:51:35,990 --> 00:51:34,079
track the data right look at it so uh i

1462
00:51:37,750 --> 00:51:36,000
went into it with mind but thinking this

1463
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,760
was a great science project a great

1464
00:51:40,950 --> 00:51:39,599
television concept

1465
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:40,960
but then when you get out there and you

1466
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,839
have experiences you're like holy

1467
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:44,960
what

1468
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:45,920
like

1469
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:48,640
and then you can't tell people

1470
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:49,359
they

1471
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:50,960
yeah because

1472
00:51:55,030 --> 00:51:53,440
it's almost like you know

1473
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,040
the veil had been pulled back right so

1474
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,119
it's like i i don't know how to describe

1475
00:52:00,309 --> 00:51:58,880
any of it i can't attribute it to

1476
00:52:02,390 --> 00:52:00,319
anything

1477
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:02,400
and i don't and i purposely don't

1478
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:04,400
because as soon as you say something

1479
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:05,760
that attributes it to something then

1480
00:52:10,790 --> 00:52:08,559
you're immediately labeled as an xyz

1481
00:52:13,270 --> 00:52:10,800
it loses credibility in certain circles

1482
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,280
no matter what circles those are in

1483
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,960
like a big diagram right not in our

1484
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:16,079
circle

1485
00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:20,800
i'm gathering that more and more from

1486
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:23,359
people out online but it's still

1487
00:52:27,190 --> 00:52:26,240
i have to i walk a fine line between i

1488
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:27,200
have to

1489
00:52:33,990 --> 00:52:31,680
buttoned-up network executives who just

1490
00:52:35,589 --> 00:52:34,000
want to make tv shows

1491
00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:35,599
so i can't present them something that's

1492
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:37,040
so far out there that they're going to

1493
00:52:40,630 --> 00:52:38,400
be like man

1494
00:52:42,790 --> 00:52:40,640
i'm not on board yeah yeah like i tried

1495
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,800
that with a the bigfoot thing at one

1496
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:44,160
point um

1497
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,400
but and i always tell people this for

1498
00:52:51,030 --> 00:52:48,160
what i have learned from talking to big

1499
00:52:53,750 --> 00:52:51,040
foot people uh

1500
00:52:56,309 --> 00:52:53,760
the plural of bigfoot is bigfoots not

1501
00:53:09,829 --> 00:52:58,630
didn't know that i did not have your

1502
00:53:12,549 --> 00:53:11,430
but when i would pitch that you know

1503
00:53:13,589 --> 00:53:12,559
when i would talk to network people

1504
00:53:14,950 --> 00:53:13,599
about it

1505
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,960
i pulled i you know they were always

1506
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:16,000
like well there's never evidence they

1507
00:53:19,030 --> 00:53:17,200
got the show about hunting bigfoot

1508
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:19,040
they'll never find anything it just

1509
00:53:21,910 --> 00:53:20,240
shows going to go on and on and on it's

1510
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:21,920
kind of like chasing their dragon

1511
00:53:25,670 --> 00:53:23,839
the difference here uh with the one i

1512
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,680
pitched was if you take there was a

1513
00:53:30,150 --> 00:53:27,359
documentary i think done it was called

1514
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:30,160
like um something 4-1-1 it was about

1515
00:53:34,150 --> 00:53:32,480
missing persons and bigfoot sightings

1516
00:53:36,710 --> 00:53:34,160
and if you overlay the two maps the

1517
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:36,720
correlation is just scary so it makes it

1518
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:38,079
look like

1519
00:53:41,750 --> 00:53:39,440
bigfoot

1520
00:53:43,109 --> 00:53:41,760
kills people i mean that the the

1521
00:53:44,470 --> 00:53:43,119
sightings the number of sightings and

1522
00:53:46,150 --> 00:53:44,480
missing people

1523
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:46,160
seriously if you look into i think there

1524
00:53:51,109 --> 00:53:48,960
was a doc about it a documentary uh it's

1525
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:51,119
almost like it's when you see that data

1526
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:52,960
you're like you've got to be kidding me

1527
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:56,720
and then but the problem is in tv world

1528
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,240
you'd want to believe like you want to

1529
00:54:01,589 --> 00:53:59,760
create a great story and you want to

1530
00:54:04,309 --> 00:54:01,599
create this this this

1531
00:54:05,750 --> 00:54:04,319
potentially fun narrative like you know

1532
00:54:07,030 --> 00:54:05,760
there's something fun about studying the

1533
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:07,040
unknown at skinwalker ranch right

1534
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,200
there's a science element um there's the

1535
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:12,079
unknown element just like okay or normal

1536
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,040
paranormal right there's all of these

1537
00:54:18,710 --> 00:54:17,280
and um with the bigfoot one when you

1538
00:54:21,430 --> 00:54:18,720
start getting real like that with a

1539
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:21,440
missing person or people turning up dead

1540
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:23,680
right the question you start asking is

1541
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:26,480
okay so in oh being completely

1542
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:29,119
open you know frank about it like what's

1543
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:31,119
more plausible

1544
00:54:34,470 --> 00:54:32,400
uh a

1545
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,480
mythical creature or an alien comes down

1546
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,640
and kills people and we have no evidence

1547
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:37,599
of this

1548
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:38,799
or

1549
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:41,040
some crazy people dressed as bigfoot

1550
00:54:45,670 --> 00:54:42,480
killing people

1551
00:54:47,030 --> 00:54:45,680
wow unfortunately that is more plausible

1552
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,040
yeah and so the networks don't want to

1553
00:54:50,789 --> 00:54:48,960
touch it yeah and so this is kind of

1554
00:54:51,750 --> 00:54:50,799
like so when you whenever you're framing

1555
00:54:54,069 --> 00:54:51,760
these stories and just like with

1556
00:54:56,069 --> 00:54:54,079
skinwalker like i'd love to pitch more

1557
00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:56,079
out far out there stuff but

1558
00:54:59,109 --> 00:54:57,839
you gotta you gotta bring it down to a

1559
00:55:00,710 --> 00:54:59,119
way where they can put it in their

1560
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,720
little box and like

1561
00:55:03,270 --> 00:55:02,079
because then they got a boss to go to

1562
00:55:06,230 --> 00:55:03,280
and then you know it's gotta go up and

1563
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:06,240
up and up sure so um well that's too bad

1564
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,240
you know because

1565
00:55:12,230 --> 00:55:10,559
your mind has changed and you're it's

1566
00:55:14,230 --> 00:55:12,240
expanded and you would think that that

1567
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,240
would provide for some great creative

1568
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,839
ideas that everybody you know that

1569
00:55:20,390 --> 00:55:17,760
people don't want to

1570
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,400
just i'm with you no it has

1571
00:55:24,950 --> 00:55:22,480
i feel like i have a good

1572
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,960
knack for finding a way to package these

1573
00:55:29,109 --> 00:55:26,480
things and put them in a way that are

1574
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:29,119
presentable to them like that's maybe my

1575
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:30,400
a skill that i've developed like with

1576
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:31,520
skinwalker like they didn't want to hear

1577
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,359
skinwalker nobody heard that no one

1578
00:55:37,670 --> 00:55:34,960
would even hear the pitch from us at

1579
00:55:39,990 --> 00:55:37,680
first because they're like it's it's bs

1580
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:40,000
uh nobody can get there and you know

1581
00:55:43,030 --> 00:55:41,599
everything that's been done there is a

1582
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:43,040
publicity stunt

1583
00:55:45,349 --> 00:55:43,839
and

1584
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:45,359
people were pitching it like we had when

1585
00:55:50,069 --> 00:55:47,200
we were pitching it at the time

1586
00:55:51,349 --> 00:55:50,079
um during one of our meetings so you

1587
00:55:53,270 --> 00:55:51,359
know the way the networks work right

1588
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,280
there's a e it's like one pyramid and

1589
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:54,960
the discovery network is another pyramid

1590
00:55:58,950 --> 00:55:57,359
and so back in the day every

1591
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:58,960
every network had their own executive

1592
00:56:02,069 --> 00:56:00,880
that you pitched to now you pitch to

1593
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:02,079
like the top of the pyramid and then

1594
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,520
they say okay which one of our channels

1595
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:05,280
does it go on god i'm talking with my

1596
00:56:10,470 --> 00:56:07,680
hands a lot um

1597
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,480
hey dj what are you doing yes

1598
00:56:14,069 --> 00:56:12,480
you know hey what are you doing hey hey

1599
00:56:15,430 --> 00:56:14,079
so you got this period hey

1600
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:15,440
and uh

1601
00:56:20,549 --> 00:56:17,760
i went to rails last night i saw the

1602
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,559
mayor in there i'm sorry go ahead

1603
00:56:26,950 --> 00:56:23,599
i did no i didn't but

1604
00:56:29,190 --> 00:56:26,960
the um the the idea of like pitching and

1605
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:29,200
then we were pitching is this skinwalker

1606
00:56:32,069 --> 00:56:30,720
was like hey listen somebody's already

1607
00:56:33,510 --> 00:56:32,079
pitching that travel and they said that

1608
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:33,520
they have access to it and they can get

1609
00:56:37,589 --> 00:56:35,280
in there and it's like brandon's like

1610
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:37,599
that's not true at all that's [\h__\h]

1611
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:38,480
dang

1612
00:56:41,510 --> 00:56:39,520
that's fine

1613
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:41,520
he was like fbs and uh

1614
00:56:44,950 --> 00:56:43,119
and um

1615
00:56:46,390 --> 00:56:44,960
they had we had to find out i'm not

1616
00:56:47,910 --> 00:56:46,400
going to say who that was but somebody

1617
00:56:49,270 --> 00:56:47,920
people were pretending that they could

1618
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:49,280
get access and pitch the show all the

1619
00:56:52,549 --> 00:56:51,040
time uh and so that was one of the

1620
00:56:54,390 --> 00:56:52,559
things that had why people weren't

1621
00:56:56,470 --> 00:56:54,400
hearing that pitch but now that it's the

1622
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,480
show's on and it's successful

1623
00:56:59,910 --> 00:56:57,920
if you saw if you notice right away

1624
00:57:01,670 --> 00:56:59,920
blind frog ranch came on another on

1625
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:01,680
discovery right um which is about seven

1626
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:04,480
miles away from skinwalker um i mean i

1627
00:57:07,670 --> 00:57:05,760
think it was seven miles

1628
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,680
and now there's and so it's opened up

1629
00:57:10,789 --> 00:57:09,599
the floodgates now and so

1630
00:57:13,190 --> 00:57:10,799
now i

1631
00:57:14,549 --> 00:57:13,200
by getting the foothold in i kind of

1632
00:57:16,710 --> 00:57:14,559
pushed the wind pushed it a little bit

1633
00:57:18,069 --> 00:57:16,720
right that overton window sort of like

1634
00:57:19,430 --> 00:57:18,079
now it's opened a little bit more where

1635
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:19,440
you're here they're here something that

1636
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,599
might be a little bit more fringe

1637
00:57:25,430 --> 00:57:23,599
and then it's like okay claim that claim

1638
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,440
that ground and then bring that to the

1639
00:57:29,109 --> 00:57:27,040
norm and then just keep on taking those

1640
00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:29,119
steps and so i think that you know with

1641
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:30,400
skinwalker the thing that's changed with

1642
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,160
me is my mind is more open to hearing

1643
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:34,480
these things and saying

1644
00:57:37,990 --> 00:57:36,240
how can i make something that is so

1645
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,000
unbelievable

1646
00:57:42,710 --> 00:57:39,599
more believable and

1647
00:57:44,470 --> 00:57:42,720
implausible to a tv audience right

1648
00:57:46,230 --> 00:57:44,480
and it is there's a lot of efficacy

1649
00:57:48,630 --> 00:57:46,240
there because it is believable and

1650
00:57:50,470 --> 00:57:48,640
people have had real experiences and had

1651
00:57:52,870 --> 00:57:50,480
been quite scared um i want to just

1652
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:52,880
promo there's gentlemen on our chat that

1653
00:57:57,670 --> 00:57:55,119
is going on uh you're is you're going on

1654
00:57:59,990 --> 00:57:57,680
his show bottled water oh bottled water

1655
00:58:01,030 --> 00:58:00,000
yeah yeah uh us army brother to my air

1656
00:58:02,549 --> 00:58:01,040
force me

1657
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:02,559
um and so

1658
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,400
we're we're really happy and and uh

1659
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,720
please so go over and watch bottled

1660
00:58:11,030 --> 00:58:08,640
waters take on tj and what kind of

1661
00:58:13,829 --> 00:58:11,040
craziness he might get up to and also

1662
00:58:15,589 --> 00:58:13,839
it's i know it's it's untoured when uh

1663
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,599
you invite someone on you plan on an

1664
00:58:19,270 --> 00:58:17,440
hour and you ask for more time but

1665
00:58:21,109 --> 00:58:19,280
because my brother nathan that's right

1666
00:58:23,030 --> 00:58:21,119
below me right there has a question for

1667
00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:23,040
you i would i would ask you yeah yeah

1668
00:58:27,750 --> 00:58:25,520
yeah for another question and then we'll

1669
00:58:29,750 --> 00:58:27,760
please we'll start the wrap okay awesome

1670
00:58:31,030 --> 00:58:29,760
thank you tj of course of course

1671
00:58:32,950 --> 00:58:31,040
if you could uh

1672
00:58:35,109 --> 00:58:32,960
permit me to go a little meta for a

1673
00:58:37,349 --> 00:58:35,119
second here uh as a lead up to this

1674
00:58:38,950 --> 00:58:37,359
question um

1675
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:38,960
you know you've spent your life

1676
00:58:44,789 --> 00:58:41,599
you know creating entertainment uh and

1677
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:44,799
crafting that and when you're doing tv

1678
00:58:48,470 --> 00:58:46,799
you're doing movies you know you're

1679
00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:48,480
creating experiences for the audience

1680
00:58:52,069 --> 00:58:50,400
you want them to you're taking them on a

1681
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:52,079
journey right you want them to go

1682
00:58:55,109 --> 00:58:52,880
through

1683
00:58:56,710 --> 00:58:55,119
a journey uh and and if

1684
00:58:58,150 --> 00:58:56,720
you know sometimes that that formula

1685
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,160
like works and you get them exactly

1686
00:59:01,829 --> 00:58:59,839
where you want to go and sometimes it

1687
00:59:04,069 --> 00:59:01,839
doesn't but the kind of the point of the

1688
00:59:06,309 --> 00:59:04,079
whole cutting scenes and that kind of

1689
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,319
thing is to to help people get from kind

1690
00:59:08,710 --> 00:59:07,920
of point a to point b

1691
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,720
right

1692
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:10,960
on a show

1693
00:59:15,829 --> 00:59:13,280
so take that concept

1694
00:59:17,030 --> 00:59:15,839
is the phenomenon what kind of show is

1695
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,040
it putting on

1696
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,710
what what journey does it want us to go

1697
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:27,190
man that's a

1698
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,559
interesting question

1699
00:59:33,190 --> 00:59:30,319
is there an influence is there an

1700
00:59:34,630 --> 00:59:33,200
influence

1701
00:59:37,109 --> 00:59:34,640
i i don't know how to answer that

1702
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,119
because uh not like i'm trying i'm not

1703
00:59:41,589 --> 00:59:40,319
drawing again i'm trying to

1704
00:59:43,910 --> 00:59:41,599
i don't want to i don't want to read

1705
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,920
into what sure is doing i don't know of

1706
00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,880
course

1707
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,640
i'm just a you know i'm a shaved

1708
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:48,480
partially shaved monkey

1709
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:50,880
apparently a very hairy one werewolf

1710
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,240
where was that

1711
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,240
apparently

1712
00:59:58,390 --> 00:59:56,240
let's frame it yeah right yeah but i

1713
00:59:59,990 --> 00:59:58,400
guess you know so taking you know

1714
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,000
the expertise that you have you know

1715
01:00:04,390 --> 01:00:01,920
like how would if you were directing

1716
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,400
this show you know i'm putting kind of

1717
01:00:09,190 --> 01:00:07,119
taking a step back from the show itself

1718
01:00:11,670 --> 01:00:09,200
and what the people in the show are

1719
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,680
experiencing what journey is it putting

1720
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:13,040
them on

1721
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:16,319
um this is about tj this is about tj

1722
01:00:20,309 --> 01:00:18,720
yeah and yes and yes the whole the whole

1723
01:00:22,470 --> 01:00:20,319
experience yes you know i'm trying to

1724
01:00:24,150 --> 01:00:22,480
think the i guess

1725
01:00:26,309 --> 01:00:24,160
i mean there's there's a certain amount

1726
01:00:28,069 --> 01:00:26,319
of um

1727
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:28,079
i don't know it's like t it's a it's

1728
01:00:35,349 --> 01:00:33,910
what i can say so there's obviously

1729
01:00:37,750 --> 01:00:35,359
there are there are things that happen

1730
01:00:39,270 --> 01:00:37,760
right there or milestones are measurable

1731
01:00:42,789 --> 01:00:39,280
things that aren't happening

1732
01:00:44,470 --> 01:00:42,799
uh the way we're choosing to

1733
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:44,480
the way we're choosing to analyze these

1734
01:00:49,349 --> 01:00:46,960
things are with tools with with tech

1735
01:00:51,109 --> 01:00:49,359
right right there's a

1736
01:00:53,589 --> 01:00:51,119
there's a there's a human component to

1737
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:53,599
it you can try to analyze it as a person

1738
01:00:55,589 --> 01:00:54,640
um

1739
01:00:57,670 --> 01:00:55,599
and i think a lot of people are going to

1740
01:01:00,549 --> 01:00:57,680
have a different view of that of that

1741
01:01:02,710 --> 01:01:00,559
journey to i guess from what i'm seeing

1742
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:02,720
is it is kind of like

1743
01:01:06,470 --> 01:01:05,359
teasing it is slowly

1744
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,480
crafting

1745
01:01:10,470 --> 01:01:08,640
yeah not crap i guess maybe it's like

1746
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:10,480
it's revealing stuff

1747
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:11,839
uh and i i

1748
01:01:17,109 --> 01:01:14,880
i really what i want to see happen

1749
01:01:19,270 --> 01:01:17,119
is in it is happening like

1750
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:19,280
it happened before the show and it we

1751
01:01:23,589 --> 01:01:20,799
talked about it in the beginning eric

1752
01:01:24,390 --> 01:01:23,599
building software and hardware his satan

1753
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,400
machine

1754
01:01:30,630 --> 01:01:27,599
um in in all of the software and i think

1755
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:30,640
maybe this is a way to push the

1756
01:01:35,430 --> 01:01:33,119
push the tech to get to a point

1757
01:01:37,349 --> 01:01:35,440
to be able to more clearly communicate

1758
01:01:40,549 --> 01:01:37,359
or measure like it's kind of giving you

1759
01:01:42,710 --> 01:01:40,559
so there's movies like that where yes

1760
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,720
where uh it kind of gives it's giving

1761
01:01:45,990 --> 01:01:44,160
you the crumbs it's like no you gotta

1762
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:46,000
figure it out but as you figure that out

1763
01:01:49,030 --> 01:01:47,200
i'll give you a little more to figure

1764
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,040
out and then you figure it out and then

1765
01:01:52,470 --> 01:01:50,880
eventually the thing is calibrating the

1766
01:01:54,230 --> 01:01:52,480
instrument

1767
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:54,240
it's a screenplay that it's like almost

1768
01:01:57,670 --> 01:01:56,240
right it could be i mean it's again it's

1769
01:01:59,349 --> 01:01:57,680
far-fetched it's you know it's all these

1770
01:02:01,109 --> 01:01:59,359
ideas are out there but

1771
01:02:03,670 --> 01:02:01,119
if you're looking at it like what else

1772
01:02:06,069 --> 01:02:03,680
could it what else could be happening

1773
01:02:07,829 --> 01:02:06,079
other like if it if something was there

1774
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,839
that was intelligent that wanted to just

1775
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:09,119
make it easy and say hey guess what i'm

1776
01:02:11,829 --> 01:02:10,000
here

1777
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:11,839
end of story right it's not doing it for

1778
01:02:15,430 --> 01:02:14,559
a tv show couldn't i i can't imagine

1779
01:02:16,870 --> 01:02:15,440
right

1780
01:02:19,510 --> 01:02:16,880
it's like oh well you know i'm going to

1781
01:02:22,230 --> 01:02:19,520
get a you know get my 15 megs of fame

1782
01:02:23,750 --> 01:02:22,240
whatever the hell nobody cares right

1783
01:02:25,589 --> 01:02:23,760
the only

1784
01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:25,599
value you could say and it is you can

1785
01:02:30,630 --> 01:02:28,880
you can you can see how it's pushing

1786
01:02:32,230 --> 01:02:30,640
it's not just pushing the equipment and

1787
01:02:33,670 --> 01:02:32,240
tech but it's the thought that it's also

1788
01:02:35,270 --> 01:02:33,680
pushing forward

1789
01:02:39,349 --> 01:02:35,280
i mean think of think of where it is

1790
01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:39,359
like there's a legit tv show

1791
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:40,160
a

1792
01:03:02,710 --> 01:03:00,559
like so

1793
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:02,720
whatever happened between now and then

1794
01:03:05,589 --> 01:03:04,079
you know

1795
01:03:07,190 --> 01:03:05,599
you got to see okay from what's going to

1796
01:03:09,589 --> 01:03:07,200
happen now the next 10 years well if

1797
01:03:10,870 --> 01:03:09,599
this is if we're slowly learning things

1798
01:03:13,750 --> 01:03:10,880
and it's

1799
01:03:16,950 --> 01:03:13,760
i'm trying not to take the human part

1800
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:16,960
the human component out of it meaning

1801
01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:20,079
we have to be in you know uh

1802
01:03:23,109 --> 01:03:21,520
we have we have to have the ingenuity to

1803
01:03:25,589 --> 01:03:23,119
kind of develop the tools develop the

1804
01:03:27,510 --> 01:03:25,599
skills to in order to get to a point

1805
01:03:29,349 --> 01:03:27,520
where we would ever be able to

1806
01:03:31,349 --> 01:03:29,359
talk to an advanced civilization because

1807
01:03:32,950 --> 01:03:31,359
obviously we're not

1808
01:03:35,430 --> 01:03:32,960
there yet right that quote-unquote

1809
01:03:37,270 --> 01:03:35,440
advanced so if eric's building tools if

1810
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:37,280
other people are building tools if this

1811
01:03:42,789 --> 01:03:39,599
platform is opening it up to bring new

1812
01:03:44,630 --> 01:03:42,799
guests on new new equipment on uh new

1813
01:03:46,630 --> 01:03:44,640
ideas and ways of experimenting then

1814
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,640
it's pushing the entire knowledge base

1815
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,480
forward and again like you said like

1816
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:50,319
it's crafting it for itself

1817
01:03:54,390 --> 01:03:52,240
uh i feel like there are there's been

1818
01:03:56,630 --> 01:03:54,400
movies about stuff like this this these

1819
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,640
theories so it's not again not a

1820
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:58,000
beautiful unique snowflake it's not my

1821
01:04:00,230 --> 01:03:59,440
theory someone else has had it i'm just

1822
01:04:02,470 --> 01:04:00,240
trying to

1823
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,480
put it on this product or on this

1824
01:04:05,910 --> 01:04:04,880
project product yeah i guess project but

1825
01:04:07,990 --> 01:04:05,920
it's uh

1826
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:08,000
it's i i don't i don't

1827
01:04:12,450 --> 01:04:10,079
man that's a great question i thought

1828
01:04:29,029 --> 01:04:12,460
that was a great answer

1829
01:04:32,950 --> 01:04:30,549
i see guys you all have glasses right so

1830
01:04:34,710 --> 01:04:32,960
have you have you read no have you read

1831
01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:34,720
there's a that new thing that just

1832
01:04:39,910 --> 01:04:36,559
passed the fda stuff the eye drops to

1833
01:04:41,670 --> 01:04:39,920
fix your vision what what no yes it's

1834
01:04:44,789 --> 01:04:41,680
crazy so go look it up there's a new eye

1835
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:44,799
drop it's ab v is the is the company

1836
01:04:53,190 --> 01:04:51,029
and i think so the way it works and

1837
01:04:55,270 --> 01:04:53,200
the it doesn't correct both right it

1838
01:04:56,950 --> 01:04:55,280
might correct five near side or five i'm

1839
01:04:59,430 --> 01:04:56,960
not sure which one but from what i

1840
01:05:01,510 --> 01:04:59,440
understand the way that it works is

1841
01:05:03,349 --> 01:05:01,520
uh your eye focus has to do with

1842
01:05:04,950 --> 01:05:03,359
pressure in your eye

1843
01:05:07,430 --> 01:05:04,960
and so what this does is you put the eye

1844
01:05:09,670 --> 01:05:07,440
drops in and it regulates the pressure

1845
01:05:11,670 --> 01:05:09,680
but it only lasts for like eight hours

1846
01:05:13,270 --> 01:05:11,680
and after it goes away and so it's like

1847
01:05:15,430 --> 01:05:13,280
eight hour glasses

1848
01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:15,440
and i'm like that's just genius so

1849
01:05:18,870 --> 01:05:17,119
better than contacts

1850
01:05:27,589 --> 01:05:18,880
if it doesn't work i'll have my attorney

1851
01:05:31,430 --> 01:05:29,430
and then we will get to our goodbyes

1852
01:05:33,910 --> 01:05:31,440
which i i know are going to be heartfelt

1853
01:05:37,270 --> 01:05:33,920
because really the the framework here is

1854
01:05:38,710 --> 01:05:37,280
we use the ranch uh as a as a framework

1855
01:05:40,950 --> 01:05:38,720
so i'll do my

1856
01:05:42,870 --> 01:05:40,960
but really this was about tj this

1857
01:05:45,829 --> 01:05:42,880
episode was really about you and the

1858
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,839
ranch was sort of a framework and and

1859
01:05:49,510 --> 01:05:47,760
it's really enjoyable because the whole

1860
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:49,520
purpose of doing one of these shows is

1861
01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:51,680
to connect with people to get them to

1862
01:05:55,510 --> 01:05:53,760
know them to hear interesting stories

1863
01:05:57,109 --> 01:05:55,520
and to be stimulated

1864
01:05:58,630 --> 01:05:57,119
my final question for you and this is

1865
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:58,640
just something i've gotten a feeling

1866
01:06:02,710 --> 01:06:00,720
from you over the course of this episode

1867
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:02,720
and listening to you speak

1868
01:06:08,230 --> 01:06:05,920
and i feel like there is a nexus

1869
01:06:09,910 --> 01:06:08,240
between the physical experience that you

1870
01:06:11,829 --> 01:06:09,920
had that would be quite scary for

1871
01:06:13,510 --> 01:06:11,839
anybody who's visited there and then

1872
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:13,520
come home and had some sort of a

1873
01:06:17,670 --> 01:06:15,119
hitchhiker effect

1874
01:06:20,230 --> 01:06:17,680
and your refusal to mentally give into

1875
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,240
it i believe that you're sort of

1876
01:06:24,870 --> 01:06:22,640
creating a barrier between what the

1877
01:06:27,109 --> 01:06:24,880
ranch offers and scares the living hell

1878
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:27,119
out of some people and you will not

1879
01:06:32,710 --> 01:06:29,760
allow that to get into your psyche i

1880
01:06:34,549 --> 01:06:32,720
feel that i could be 100 wrong no you i

1881
01:06:36,069 --> 01:06:34,559
think you're right on i think that's

1882
01:06:37,510 --> 01:06:36,079
true i pretty

1883
01:06:42,230 --> 01:06:37,520
i don't

1884
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:42,240
happened i can't answer i i

1885
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:43,920
try to kind of keep it

1886
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:46,240
you know arm's length like i yeah i

1887
01:06:47,910 --> 01:06:47,039
don't

1888
01:07:07,829 --> 01:06:47,920
i

1889
01:07:08,630 --> 01:07:07,839
can

1890
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:08,640
uh

1891
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:10,960
i you know even being a freaking

1892
01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:13,520
werewolf that's fine we'll get to that

1893
01:07:17,430 --> 01:07:14,880
we'll get that done

1894
01:07:19,670 --> 01:07:17,440
okay this is the storyline here but yeah

1895
01:07:21,670 --> 01:07:19,680
but so like by doing that it's like it's

1896
01:07:24,309 --> 01:07:21,680
like yeah so by doing that i i kind of

1897
01:07:27,109 --> 01:07:24,319
will uh i do keep an arms like but i'm

1898
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:27,119
open and but again this is why it's so

1899
01:07:30,069 --> 01:07:28,559
great you have big brains out there that

1900
01:07:32,150 --> 01:07:30,079
are studying it like eventually you're

1901
01:07:33,510 --> 01:07:32,160
going to be able to i believe

1902
01:07:37,190 --> 01:07:33,520
label these things you're going to say

1903
01:07:39,990 --> 01:07:37,200
it is x it is why uh and this happened

1904
01:07:42,549 --> 01:07:40,000
because of this and this led to this

1905
01:07:43,349 --> 01:07:42,559
i think that i will be more confident

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to

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01:07:47,829 --> 01:07:45,839
label things or put it put it on when i

1908
01:07:48,950 --> 01:07:47,839
have more info because listen there are

1909
01:07:50,470 --> 01:07:48,960
potential

1910
01:07:53,029 --> 01:07:50,480
very you know

1911
01:07:54,230 --> 01:07:53,039
plausible explanations radiation is the

1912
01:07:56,470 --> 01:07:54,240
one that always comes to mind that

1913
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:56,480
people always throw could very well be i

1914
01:08:01,190 --> 01:07:58,880
don't know uh but i'm not discounting

1915
01:08:02,150 --> 01:08:01,200
that or anything else um

1916
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so

1917
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yeah i try to keep it at arm's length

1918
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:05,359
and i do try to keep it like there's no

1919
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reason to let let

1920
01:08:09,750 --> 01:08:08,960
that get out you know it's power take

1921
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:09,760
over

1922
01:08:15,349 --> 01:08:12,319
it's your power absolutely um

1923
01:08:16,470 --> 01:08:15,359
so yeah i mean i i i really you know

1924
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hope that

1925
01:08:20,630 --> 01:08:18,880
you should look out for situations where

1926
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:20,640
and and nathan may want to speak to us

1927
01:08:24,709 --> 01:08:22,159
where you would find yourself naked in

1928
01:08:27,349 --> 01:08:24,719
the woods you're laying down you may be

1929
01:08:29,910 --> 01:08:27,359
gnawing on some sort of a a wintry

1930
01:08:32,870 --> 01:08:29,920
animal like a beaver

1931
01:08:35,430 --> 01:08:32,880
dino beaver whatever

1932
01:08:38,070 --> 01:08:35,440
i you know i just want you to be careful

1933
01:08:40,709 --> 01:08:38,080
that if that those werewolf tendencies

1934
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,719
come up that you address them and and

1935
01:08:44,070 --> 01:08:42,560
you always have a place to hear and to

1936
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:44,080
come and talk to us about it that's

1937
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:45,600
right we're here for you bro judgment

1938
01:08:47,750 --> 01:08:46,719
free

1939
01:08:49,910 --> 01:08:47,760
without the feeling

1940
01:08:52,229 --> 01:08:49,920
[Laughter]

1941
01:08:53,910 --> 01:08:52,239
this is the judgment werewolves are

1942
01:08:58,149 --> 01:08:53,920
welcome here tj

1943
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:00,789
right on cue that is a performer right

1944
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,359
on you i love it itching

1945
01:09:07,030 --> 01:09:05,120
you guys this is crazy

1946
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:07,040
everybody's gonna take a chance to say

1947
01:09:11,030 --> 01:09:08,319
goodbye to you

1948
01:09:13,910 --> 01:09:11,040
yes akashi chris

1949
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:13,920
tj it's been a pleasure thank you so

1950
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:16,799
much this is just ah you have no idea

1951
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:18,560
how excited i was about today how

1952
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:22,880
nervous and how i've been like oh my god

1953
01:09:28,630 --> 01:09:25,359
so i'm like that meme with you know the

1954
01:09:30,630 --> 01:09:28,640
guy that's cool thank you so much

1955
01:09:33,030 --> 01:09:30,640
of course and then the richmond so

1956
01:09:34,789 --> 01:09:33,040
appreciate you being here and um yes can

1957
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:34,799
we have you back sometimes of course

1958
01:09:38,950 --> 01:09:36,960
yeah it's like cool of course of course

1959
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:38,960
like so i put it out there too like i'm

1960
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,400
trying to do

1961
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:41,920
i want to do these on a regular basis

1962
01:09:45,349 --> 01:09:44,239
yeah i want to get out there and and

1963
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:45,359
i will like

1964
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,120
you know just i got bottled waters this

1965
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,799
saturday and i just i was hoping not to

1966
01:09:52,309 --> 01:09:50,960
do them so close together but because

1967
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:52,319
but this book kind of just happened that

1968
01:09:55,270 --> 01:09:53,759
way but i think i'm going to try to

1969
01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:55,280
space them out every few weeks or

1970
01:10:10,630 --> 01:09:57,280
something but yeah i absolutely i

1971
01:10:17,750 --> 01:10:14,790
uh yeah so tj uh i gotta say you have

1972
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:17,760
opened up my mind a lot tonight uh but

1973
01:10:21,350 --> 01:10:19,679
what you've offered about the show i

1974
01:10:23,350 --> 01:10:21,360
love the show i've watched both seasons

1975
01:10:25,350 --> 01:10:23,360
and really have gotten a ton out of it

1976
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:25,360
but your perspective on it

1977
01:10:28,149 --> 01:10:26,239
has

1978
01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:28,159
totally changed that for me and it just

1979
01:10:31,750 --> 01:10:30,159
taken it down a whole different path and

1980
01:10:33,510 --> 01:10:31,760
i'm i just can't thank you enough for

1981
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:33,520
that and i want to say too as a fellow

1982
01:10:38,149 --> 01:10:36,159
gamer uh you know that experience plays

1983
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:38,159
in right so like i have to i have to

1984
01:10:42,550 --> 01:10:40,560
believe that the that early experience

1985
01:10:44,229 --> 01:10:42,560
that you had developing games you know

1986
01:10:46,390 --> 01:10:44,239
has led to your success and gives you a

1987
01:10:48,310 --> 01:10:46,400
unique perspective on everything that

1988
01:10:49,750 --> 01:10:48,320
you do particularly with this project so

1989
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:49,760
keep up the great work and uh and we'll

1990
01:10:52,390 --> 01:10:51,199
talk to you again in the future yeah

1991
01:10:53,590 --> 01:10:52,400
absolutely

1992
01:10:55,030 --> 01:10:53,600
thank you

1993
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,040
grace flair

1994
01:11:00,790 --> 01:10:57,280
all right matt hey it was great meeting

1995
01:11:02,390 --> 01:11:00,800
you and thank you for putting up with me

1996
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:02,400
that was awesome there's no point with

1997
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,510
i'm itching all the time tonight

1998
01:11:14,550 --> 01:11:12,480
no you put it in my head now

1999
01:11:17,510 --> 01:11:14,560
the ranch isn't funny what the werewolf

2000
01:11:19,510 --> 01:11:17,520
narrative is it is it is it stuck

2001
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:19,520
all right well i'm glad i entertained

2002
01:11:23,350 --> 01:11:21,840
you that was my goal so thank you for

2003
01:11:26,229 --> 01:11:23,360
being here it was an honor to meet you

2004
01:11:29,510 --> 01:11:26,239
man seriously thanks thanks that's

2005
01:11:31,110 --> 01:11:29,520
awesome dab i i just wanted to thank you

2006
01:11:33,030 --> 01:11:31,120
for sharing about your personal

2007
01:11:35,910 --> 01:11:33,040
experiences and

2008
01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:35,920
we are here to support you and if you

2009
01:11:40,870 --> 01:11:37,679
you know ever want to just

2010
01:11:42,709 --> 01:11:40,880
get more research on skinwalker cases or

2011
01:11:45,430 --> 01:11:42,719
anything just let me know

2012
01:11:47,189 --> 01:11:45,440
at the study of uap's deb

2013
01:11:48,790 --> 01:11:47,199
she loves to research so if you want to

2014
01:11:50,870 --> 01:11:48,800
know about something but you don't have

2015
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,880
the time to look into it you can dm deb

2016
01:11:54,310 --> 01:11:52,719
and and she'll do it she's absolutely

2017
01:11:56,550 --> 01:11:54,320
phenomenal and she's just a lovable

2018
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:56,560
person dad that's your thing that's your

2019
01:11:58,149 --> 01:11:57,280
like

2020
01:12:00,790 --> 01:11:58,159
that's your

2021
01:12:02,950 --> 01:12:00,800
yeah well that's not that's not my uh

2022
01:12:05,510 --> 01:12:02,960
full-time job but that is what i'm doing

2023
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,270
i'm sorry i just want to say that i'm

2024
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,199
extremely proud that two of our members

2025
01:12:13,430 --> 01:12:11,199
you see at the bottom of the stream do

2026
01:12:16,709 --> 01:12:13,440
work and and counsel uh from a

2027
01:12:19,750 --> 01:12:16,719
psychological yes you flare

2028
01:12:21,510 --> 01:12:19,760
you counsel kids uh as uh from a

2029
01:12:23,669 --> 01:12:21,520
psychological perspective so both of

2030
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:23,679
them are degreed in that field and we're

2031
01:12:28,950 --> 01:12:26,000
extremely extremely proud of both of

2032
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:28,960
them that's deb and flair

2033
01:12:34,229 --> 01:12:30,719
awesome that's awesome work

2034
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:34,239
okay um so yeah and

2035
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,280
and if you do well whatever what

2036
01:12:39,990 --> 01:12:38,880
you're not degrading i'm working on my

2037
01:12:42,790 --> 01:12:40,000
degree

2038
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,800
there

2039
01:12:45,669 --> 01:12:44,480
and so uh

2040
01:12:47,990 --> 01:12:45,679
deb um

2041
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,000
so yeah if but if you do uh want to know

2042
01:12:52,870 --> 01:12:50,239
about something in any of this field and

2043
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,880
you dm deb she will she will go out and

2044
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:55,040
uh and get some information for you for

2045
01:12:59,110 --> 01:12:56,880
what you need okay

2046
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,120
it's always good to know tj you guys are

2047
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,360
awesome thank you brother we had so much

2048
01:13:05,270 --> 01:13:02,960
fun thank you for playing along you have

2049
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:05,280
an amazing smile it's it's infectious

2050
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,719
it's almost like

2051
01:13:09,440 --> 01:13:08,159
i don't want to talk about ko it's like

2052
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:09,450
the flute

2053
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:12,159
[Laughter]

2054
01:13:15,830 --> 01:13:12,960
so

2055
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:15,840
we're a mask

2056
01:13:19,750 --> 01:13:18,080
you guys it's really funny like i've

2057
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:19,760
been called wholesome

2058
01:13:23,350 --> 01:13:21,360
aware

2059
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:23,360
my smile is flu-like i mean this is

2060
01:13:27,750 --> 01:13:25,440
great there's all these new things about

2061
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:27,760
yeah what are great for self-esteem you

2062
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,080
will find us on any other show

2063
01:13:33,910 --> 01:13:31,840
we're gonna raise you up i mean you're

2064
01:13:36,550 --> 01:13:33,920
gonna get so much love so uh thank you

2065
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:36,560
so much for joining so for tj alert for

2066
01:13:41,430 --> 01:13:39,040
akashi chris for money nate for flareus

2067
01:13:44,310 --> 01:13:41,440
maximus down there and for deb this is

2068
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:44,320
dj saying peace out one love and we'll

2069
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,000
see you down the road we're always

2070
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:49,360
wondering what's up around the bend